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Pretty amazing, in 2nd year. Dr. Ulrich must be fuming. Nice guy, met him at Sebring last year but clearly very committed to Audi racing. In fact a few years ago put his job on the line to keep Audi fully committed and engaged in endurance racing. As a dedicated Porsche, Audi family (have owned 10 Porsches & Audis and 11 when my 2016 981 arrives) lot to cheer about.
 

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Porsche also took second in the LM GTE AM class with a 911 RSR. Good job!
 

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Porsche also took second in the LM GTE AM class with a 911 RSR. Good job!
Patrick Dempsey look SO happy :)

Watching the podium and comments, it occurred to me that DESPITE Audi's success the last 14 years, including last year, due to the lack of a Porsche presence since 1999, their extensive run of wins will be forever tainted or get another Roger Maris asterisk. Somebody at Audi has to be thinking:

How many of those Le Mans Victories would we have IF Porsche had be in the hunt?

That's not to take anything away from them because they DID win. But it has to be eating at them.
 

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Any thoughts about what I'd guess might be the somewhat unusual circumstances in which 2 branches of the same manufacturer (VW) compete against each other? I've not been a big racing fan so I don't know . . . besides the last 2 years at LeMans, does this happen much?
 

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Congratultions to the Porsche Team #1 &#2 !!
 

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Heck with this Le Mans talk. I'm getting my keys...... Bye. :)
 

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Somebody at Audi has to be thinking:

How many of those Le Mans Victories would we have IF Porsche had be in the hunt?

That's not to take anything away from them because they DID win. But it has to be eating at them.
And P stays as winning-est even with the asterisks removed. P may have re-entered last year to prevent A from tying (the non-asterisked number of wins) but that didn't happen. Very impressive that P came right back to win this year.
 

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Any thoughts about what I'd guess might be the somewhat unusual circumstances in which 2 branches of the same manufacturer (VW) compete against each other? I've not been a big racing fan so I don't know . . . besides the last 2 years at LeMans, does this happen much?
A good question but sure ... I am sure Buick, Pontiac, and Chevrolet divisions of GM raced in NASCAR in the same season. Similarly, Mercury, a division of Ford, raced NASCAR as did Ford.
 

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For your eyes only

 
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Excuse my ignorance, but
1) why did Porsche stay away all these years from Le Mans?
2) of all the Le Mans races Porsche participated in, how many did they win vs participated?
 

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A good question but sure ... I am sure Buick, Pontiac, and Chevrolet divisions of GM raced in NASCAR in the same season. Similarly, Mercury, a division of Ford, raced NASCAR as did Ford.
Thanks, Chows. If these were factory efforts then it would indeed be a similar situation to the last 2 years at Le Mans.

Maybe VW feels typical Audi and P-car buyers are often different enough so competition isn't hurting anyone. Or perhaps Audi and Porsche have enough independence to run their own efforts quite distinct from any controls from above, particularly as both makes are deep into black ink.
 

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In 90s it was financial if memory serves. Remember that the Boxster is credited as doing much to save Porsche as a company. In so far as both Audi and Porsche in LMP1.......it could be as simple as very different approaches to Hybrid technology and a wonderful test bed for future street use. Flywheel/diesel, battery/small displacement gas............one of the things I found interesting was the strong speculation by the broadcasters on Fox that the charge/discharge of the battery version in the Porsche would potentially erode in performance and towards the end of the race struggle while Audi would remain constant. This did not prove to be the case. Just speculation on my part, of course...............Let's see how long it takes Ford to be competitive......and what package they choose to ultimately use.
 

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Remember this video from last year? All I can say is "thanks for the challenge" Also - note in the video the Audi passing the slow Porsche tractor. The symbolism....lol
 
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The donut writing font is the same font they used on the 17 win tees I think

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Excuse my ignorance, but
1) why did Porsche stay away all these years from Le Mans?
2) of all the Le Mans races Porsche participated in, how many did they win vs participated?

You won't find a better review than this https://www.stuttcars.com/about-porsche/le-mans/ Check out the videos and chart at the end. You also have to separate out the factory works teams from the private teams.

If I remember right, the essence is that in 1998 Ferry Porsche died. By this time the company was in financial trouble. The Boxster helped but it wasn't enough. It was a start but they needed more. The decision was made to get out of factory racing and focus on financials. They were going to build a SUV. Wendelin Wiedeking brought the Japanese in to teach them Just in time inventory. The Cayenne saved Porsche and the Japanese taught them how to build cars efficiently.

Read Porsche Aims to Keep Racing Image Amid Rise in SUVs - WSJ. The return to Le Mans is a business decision. The Cayenne has dominated sales. It appears that there is no accident that the 2014 return to a factory works team to Le Mans coincides with the premier of the Macan. Porsche has become known as a SUV company now.
 

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Le Mans 24 Hours: a Porsche pit tour


Le Mans 24 Hours: a Porsche pit tour | AMSILRACING.COM



Each car is allocated one of the 56 garages (there is talk of another half-dozen being added soon), with semi-trailers parked neatly at the back. That said, more and more teams are replacing their trucks with purpose-designed facilities, including multi-storey temporary buildings!

In the garage itself, there is an initial space (traditionally for engineers, back in the days when a couple of computers sufficed to run a racing car) which feeds into the business end, where the cars are worked on…

Our tour of the Porsche facility began here, where the three 919 Hybrids were neatly parked with the white (19), black (18) and red (17) cars lined up from left to right.

This is the territory of New Zealander Amiel Lindesay, the team’s chief mechanic. Between the N°18 and N°17 cars, there’s a sort of desk against the wall with big laptops on it. It is nicknamed the PlayStation and is exclusively for Amiel and the Team Principal. During a session or the race, you are kindly requested to make sure you are not blocking their view of the garage or pit lane, especially when a car is in for tyres of refuelling.

Don’t go near! Indeed, wherever you are, always make sure you’re in nobody’s way, otherwise the New Zealander – or one of his lieutenants – will soon march you away!

While the engine covers are off the cars, strictly no photos can be taken. When the bodywork is on, however, you are free to take as many snaps as you wish.

Moving away from the pit lane, a narrow passage feeds to the area behind the garage where, at most races, you would expect to see trucks. As with the other top teams, this space (which spans the width of three garages / estimated surface area: 350m²) serves as a workshop, stores and offices. Porsche call this semi-rigid, two-storey structure the ‘Stahlhalle’ (steel hall).


It is here you will find the team’s tyre-warmers which take the form of six heated wardrobes that can accommodate two full sets of Michelin endurance tyres each. It takes 90 minutes to get the covers up to their ideal working temperature from cold.

Behind the wall on the opposite side of the corridor is a room packed with engineers and technicians. They sit in rows of eight in front of computer screens and we rapidly counted at least 50 specialists, a huge increase compared with even the Peugeot days. You feel they could control a mission to the Moon! Of the team’s 120 core staff at Le Mans , a large proportion are effectively engineers or technicians.

Tucked away at the back of this room, out of the path of rushing mechanics, is a small space to relax with a cup of coffee.

Following a trend launched by Audi, the Stahlhalle has a second level which is used for storing smaller components, plus a 10m² chilled room which houses the team’s sophisticated IT hardware.

Outside, on the other side of the ‘paddock lane’, you will see Porsche’s so-called ‘Container City’ (see photo / estimated surface area: 230m²). The ground floor of this construction is dedicated to the storage of tyres, plus larger body parts and assemblies, along with a workshop for preparing the liveries.

Upstairs is where the drivers have their sleeping quarters. There are five small, soundproofed rooms with twoSINGLE BEDS and coded locks on the doors. Bernhard and Dumas share a room, even though they don’t drive the same car (they’ve known each other for so long they apparently behave like twins!). Hulkenberg shares with the doctor. Also at this level is the physiotherapist’s room for massages and which is home to Webber’s trusty exercise bike.

Finally, on the left at the top of the stairs, there is a big meeting room with seating for 20 which serves for team briefings and other meetings.
 
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