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In my opinion it is not right that toyota did not win


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We have all our opinion, but why should they have won? It's a race and they lost. Better luck next year. Close doesn't cut it.
 

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Commentators here we all talking for the last 10hours "its not over until its over", such luck!
Congratulations! :)
 

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Luck Is What Happens When Preparation Meets Opportunity"

It's not the LeMans 23:54:00 race.

"You don't choose the race, the race chooses you" - Bob Varsha

Congrats Porsche!

Where do you buy those tee shirts?
 

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We have all our opinion, but why should they have won? It's a race and they lost. Better luck next year. Close doesn't cut it.
A win is a win, but it's always better to beat the other guy than to rely on luck. No one can dispute the winner however, regardless of the circumstances.
 

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The most significant thing here is NOT that Porsche took LMP1. They were expected to dominate as long as they run works cars in the prototypes. And surely over time, the technology from LMP1 will trickle down into production cars, although I thought the 919s sound terrible. In any case, the true thing to watch for the sports cars were the Ford GT in GTE Pro they took the top 3 of 4 spots.

THAT is dominating. FORD is back for real and the American cars sounded great.

991RSR days are over ... where is the 960????????
 

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In my opinion it is not right that toyota did not win


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Why not? Porsche isn't lucky. This race is about endurance and reliability of vehicles. Porsche won and Toyota lost for a reason. :)
 
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With condolences to Toyota, and paraphrasing someone else:

It's not the not the 23 hours, 56 minutes of Le Mans.
 

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For anyone who thinks it is the 23 hours 55 minutes of Le Mans, this article from 2006 was influential to me about buying the Cayman and I think it still is an outstanding article. From TTAC Porsche Uber Alles

"Back in 2002, the redoubtable Brock Yates, late of Car and Driver, challenged Ferrari/Lamborghini (for the purposes of this article they are interchangable) to place in the top three in his annual One Lap Of America. He put five G’s on the barrel to back up his claim that they couldn’t measure up. "All the swooning about Italian iron fades away when the party gets rough,” Brock said. “When it comes to a hard-core street fight, they're as soft as mozzarella in the Tuscan sun." Perhaps that’s also why a Ferrari PR man once admitted that his customers are “an integral part of the development process.” ...

And then there’s Porsche.


There's an old racing expression: "To finish first, first you must finish." Porsche doesn’t just pay homage to it, they live it. The German company has dominated nearly every race series in which they’ve competed. More to the point, Porsche’s won the grueling 24-hour race at Le Mans sixteen times. That’s more than Ferrari and Ford put together. This phenomenal stamina is now built into every Porsche road car.


A while back, I was invited to speak to a local chapter of Porsche owners. I tried to explain the over-engineering that makes Porsche’s road cars so tough. For example, their engines and transmissions are built absurdly strong for their size. You will find more bearing area, big-ends and mains, for each liter of displacement in a 911 engine than in any other engine in production today. It’s an obscure technical point, but a telling one. You simply cannot buy a more robust high performance automobile. It’s a difference a skilled driver can feel.


... The Porsche Turbo is still the single most effective exemplar of the “everyday” supercar. It’s the only ultra-high performance automobile I’d jump into at a moment’s notice and confidently head for the other end of the country, or take to the supermarket to pickup a weekend’s supplies.


Is reliability the ultimate measure of a high performance car? Of course not. Otherwise, the Porsche Turbo would be in a class of one. In my opinion, in fact, it is. ... And it jibes with the age old question: what’s the world’s best car? Simple: The one that lives up to its promises."
 

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Fox showing golf? WTF!
FS1 is really catching hell on their FB site for pulling this false advertising and bait-and-switch tactic. Too bad those of us who got up really early to watch the advertised race to the checkered flag can't sue them for cutting to golf with two hours of the race remaining. After all it is the most important race of the year and why can't golf be shown on FS2? Good to know about the Porsche site I'll stick with them next year. I hope there is a replay somewhere of the finish.
 

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Fox showing golf? WTF!
The US Open? Maybe because the US Open is far, far more important than Le Mans to 99% of America?

US Open vs Le Mans? US Open wins every time.


They also messed up last night showing UFC fighting when they were supposed to be showing racing. Seemed strange.
 

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The US Open? Maybe because the US Open is far, far more important than Le Mans to 99% of America?

US Open vs Le Mans? US Open wins every time.


They also messed up last night showing UFC fighting when they were supposed to be showing racing. Seemed strange.
That's a distressing thought. 99% really? Anytime I need a nap I turn on golf. :sleep:
 

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If you follow Porsche on Facebook, here is what they said about the win over Toyota...and they posted a pic of the Toyota. Porsche is a class act!

"Competed together for 24 hours.
Head to head for 24 hours.
Gained our respect forever"

Toyota.jpg
 

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That's a distressing thought. 99% really? Anytime I need a nap I turn on golf. :sleep:
For the mainstream media absolutely. The US Open is big time. Biggest Sports Story this morning is the NBA Finals followed by the US Open. Few (in the US) cares or even knows about Le Mans. Its a niche thing.

Now if it were the Daytona 500, they would know. NASCAR rules.
 

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For the mainstream media absolutely. The US Open is big time. Biggest Sports Story this morning is the NBA Finals followed by the US Open. Few (in the US) cares or even knows about Le Mans. Its a niche thing.

Now if it were the Daytona 500, they would know. NASCAR rules.
That's fine. What's not fine is to promote the race and publish it in TV listings, and then televise golf. So the people who want to see LeMans see golf and immediately turn off the TV, and those who love golf don't even know it's being televised on FS1. Not a good recipe for generating a large number of viewers.
 

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two things.
being an avid golfer, I was very interested in the US Open (in fact, I volunteer as a tournament rules official for regional and USGA tournaments in Northern Calif). So, I was really interested in the open,
But i set my clock to get up to catch the final laps of LeMans... which I did --- and glad to have done so to catch "that" drama.

My complaint on the race is the inept BOP for the LMGT cars. Hey, "our" 911 RSR's are old and suck... got it, but, they are pretty much based on a production car. The Ferrari is based on a car that you can buy, if you have the money. But, as far as I can tell, the only Ford GT's that exist are owned by Ganassi and his race team. They are not production cars, even though there is a sham of being able to buy one on the Ford web site -- its on their "configurator" --- but only options were renderings of a couple seat trim options and NO pricing, details, etc. As a golf tournament official, I'm called on to make a ruling on the FACTS, and the fact is the Ford GT is a purpose built race car. I remember the old "rule" at LeMans that the cars had to be able to carry two people and a suit case --- remember the "suit case" that was strapped to the rear of the tail section of the 917's?? I bet you can't get one of those in the Ford GT -- or the 919, Audi e-Tron, or Toyota hybrid either. But not being able to store an overnighter in a "production" based car is flaunting the rules. What happened to the requirements to homologate a model to be able to race in a series??

It wouldn't be that much of a stretch, in comparison, to claim that those Daytona Prototype "stingrays" should be allowed to race against the Fords. Both are purpose built, non-production cars, though use essentially "stock" engines.

I think Ford would have honored their "50th" anniversary of their GT40 wins with a car that was at least nominally homologated with production cars available for purchase.
OK, I yield the soap-box.
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I agree - the Ford GTs are no production cars (yet).

Plus - they were a couple of seconds per lap slower than the 488s during the first two races of the season...so that the Ferraris got some weight added just in time for the Le Mans race. There is already some speculation going on if this was done on purpose by Ford.
 
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