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Just a question regarding test drives in the C8 - how many have had test drives in the Spyder and GT4 before ordering one? People order based on reviews and expectations, Porsche may let you test drive a GT car, if you are a previous buyer but the average person has no chance of getting a test drive in a GT variant. Now I know one can argue that the C8 is a base car but they just aren't out there yet to test drive. I think it's a spurious argument - those that want a Corvette will buy one with or without a test drive.
Point taken that unless you are known to the Porsche dealership it's unlikely you'll be getting test drives in GT cars, but they'll let pretty much anyone drive Pannys, 911s (up to S/GTS), and any Macan, Cayenne, Boxster or Cayman. The C8 is priced at just above an entry level Porsche, and certainly won't be rare. According to first-hand accounts here and elsewhere, even people that have owned multiple Corvettes and other Chevys, and are well known to the dealer, have historically been denied Corvette test drives. An Escalade with a STARTING price of $80k US is no problem, but no rides in $60-$70k 'Vettes? Maybe the policy will change with the C8 but I highly doubt it.
 

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I rarely have fun when I'm being passed on the track. :)
Ugh ... this could be answered by pages of text. We are all different. I, personally, cannot care less who passes me and in what car as long as that doesn't become a nuisance to me and prevents me from having fun.

Last time was April this year. I was on unfamiliar track (haven't been in 5 years), brand new pavement (slick, all barely remembered reference points gone), at 38 degrees F under clouds, in the fast group and with nobody in the right seat. 35 cars on 1.75 miles track. Horrible. First session I did nothing but watching rear view mirror and could hardly take two corners without interference. Yeah, I hate being passed like that.

Those other sessions on other tracks and events where getting yourself out in the upper middle of the group (raceboys up front will catch you, but only once and after mid point of the session), with 25 cars on 2.5 miles track, all drivers are doing extremely close times, you interact with max 10 cars (pass them/being passed) in 30 minutes ... who cares? I had Spec Miatas and BRZ fly by me without even a second thought and with a huge grin on my face.

So, no, I cannot care less who passes me. Remember - for fastest lap (or fastest session time), there is exactly zero dollars offered/won in DE/HPDE. Each DE/HPDE 2-day weekend costs you roughly $1,000+ (all in, maint costs pro-rated) in a Cayman not including depreciation. If you are not having fun ... why bother? Not for money, that's for darn sure. My opinion only, of course.
 

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I find it interesting that so many people are getting hung up on the whole test drive thing and the C8, with the level of interest and amount of deposits I am sure Chevrolet is not worried as it looks like they will sell every one they can build. I think with the Corvette, for those not familiar with them, they are simply too powerful to let an unfamiliar driver take it out for a blast, things can go wrong all too fast in this scenario. :eek:

Someone mentioned a perspective buyer preferring a near zero mile car, you can count me in on that as well, there is no way I want buy the car that some idiot was revving the snot out of an engine not even broken in 'just to see what it can do"... to me this would be like buying a rental car, ya like that is going to happen!

If you want one (a C8, GT4 or Spyder) you will order and buy one, if you don't like it you simply won't keep it as long, and for those saying the lack of a test drive is a deal breaker, your loss as there will be others ready to take your place as all three of these cars have more than enough interested parties! ;)
 

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Interesting perspective. https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives/a28508232/porsche-718-boxster-gts-specs-review/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_rdt&utm_medium=email&date=080219&src=nl&utm_campaign=17668583

The best car for driving in the real world from the Porsche mid-engine family might be the GTS. Better suspension and chassis control than the Spyder, without loss of handling and grip. Yes, with a flat six (not necessarily a touring version of the GT4) it would perhaps be more sonorous to some. I actually don't care about sub-3 second 0-60: the GTS does it 4-ish (some tests have it as low as 3.6) which is about as much as can be used in a DD on a frequent basis.
 

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I humbly disagree regarding the spurious argument that those who want a Corvette will buy one without a test drive.

As stated in a prior reply, prior to purchasing our CGTS I had contacted our local (60 miles away) Corvette dealer. I've never driven a Corvette and will not plunk down $60K+ on a car without a test drive. Despite having no less than 50 new Corvette's available for sale at this dealer, not one was available for a test drive - not even a base or possibly a used vehicle of the same model. They really did tell me to go to another state and rent one for a day if I really wanted to test drive one. They did not get my business.

The BMW dealer who I had contacted did not have an M2 to demo and they told me up front that even if they did it would not be allowed. They did spend lots of time with me as I drove other models to get a feel if I thought I would be interested. They ended up getting an M3 in trade though and invited me back to try it out. That was good customer service. The M3 was amazing but it turned out to be not what we wanted,

When I contacted the Porsche dealer for a test drive, they set me up with a base & an S, with a 6-speed & PDK. I would not be in a Cayman now if they had not been able to set me up with a test drive. That's the fact. We did a couple visits for test drives & they bent over backwards. They had these cars on the lot available for any past & future customers to test drive. That is how we ended up with our sweet Graphite Blue 718 Cayman GTS.

Now if I wanted a GT4 or a Spyder test drive, there are none available at this time so of course I won't be able to drive one. However, in the event I've never owned a Porsche Cayman beforehand - which was the case for me - I suspect a drive in a Cayman will give me an reasonable idea of what I'm in for and whether it's for me or not. It's not an exact 1:1 of course, but I'll get a feel for overall handling, fit, finish, do I like the feel inside, etc. Will there ever be GT4s or Spyders for test drives? Unlikely due to the limitations of an exclusive car. With that I think it's safe to say that the 718 is a reasonably good proxy. The reality is anyone with any hopes of getting a GT4 or Spyder is 99% likely to be an existing Porsche customer and will know what they are getting. I wouldn't even look for a test drive of a GT4 because of my experience with my GTS!

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Just a question regarding test drives in the C8 - how many have had test drives in the Spyder and GT4 before ordering one? People order based on reviews and expectations, Porsche may let you test drive a GT car, if you are a previous buyer but the average person has no chance of getting a test drive in a GT variant. Now I know one can argue that the C8 is a base car but they just aren't out there yet to test drive. I think it's a spurious argument - those that want a Corvette will buy one with or without a test drive.
I had never even driven a Porsche when I ordered my GTS. I sat in one at a dealer lot to make sure my unusually lanky frame fit inside, but that was it.

I agree with you. I don’t think we are going to see reservations abandoned because of driving dynamics.
 

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Just a question regarding test drives in the C8 - how many have had test drives in the Spyder and GT4 before ordering one? People order based on reviews and expectations, Porsche may let you test drive a GT car, if you are a previous buyer but the average person has no chance of getting a test drive in a GT variant. Now I know one can argue that the C8 is a base car but they just aren't out there yet to test drive. I think it's a spurious argument - those that want a Corvette will buy one with or without a test drive.
As CinciOH noted, it isnt all about track times. I will never track my Cayman. And I got the base because pure speed and 0-60 weren't my main concerns. You can only safely/sanely drive so fast on public roads.
But I like being able to zip around, maneuver past SUVs, turn corners with flair...
Will the C8 fill LARGER to me. Will it have as tight handling. What will be my visibility with quick lane changes. Will I like it as a daily driver...

If I am going to swap out my Cayman I dont want to downgrade in the areas I most care about. I dont need to test drive a C8 to know if I like how it looks, or if the interior build is a nice layout, or that it's really fast.

But before I buy it I would like an idea of whether I am going to want to sell it 6 months after purchase.
 

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I find it interesting that so many people are getting hung up on the whole test drive thing and the C8, with the level of interest and amount of deposits I am sure Chevrolet is not worried as it looks like they will sell every one they can build. I think with the Corvette, for those not familiar with them, they are simply too powerful to let an unfamiliar driver take it out for a blast, things can go wrong all too fast in this scenario. :eek:

Someone mentioned a perspective buyer preferring a near zero mile car, you can count me in on that as well, there is no way I want buy the car that some idiot was revving the snot out of an engine not even broken in 'just to see what it can do"... to me this would be like buying a rental car, ya like that is going to happen!

If you want one (a C8, GT4 or Spyder) you will order and buy one, if you don't like it you simply won't keep it as long, and for those saying the lack of a test drive is a deal breaker, your loss as there will be others ready to take your place as all three of these cars have more than enough interested parties! ;)
I think it's fine if a Porsche dealership has a demo and lets customers drive it. Unfortunately most Porsche dealers let anyone drive any car on their lots. They just flip the key to the customer and say have a good time. About ten years ago one of my sons worked at a local Porsche dealership during summers. He convinced me never to buy a Porsche off the lot with more than 15 miles on the odometer. He told me that many, not all, of the guys test driving 911s abused the hell out of them: going to redline right out the dealership was common, and this is on a cold engine.

With respect to the Corvette, it depends on circumstances. With the huge demand for the C8, I doubt that there will be many on dealers' lots. Some small dealers with just a few allocations, will probably have a significant ADM on their C8, and it will just sit on the dealer's showroom to generate foot traffic. I doubt that anyone will be allowed to test drive that car. Hell, the doors will probably be locked, so you won't even be able to sit in it.

Let's not forget that a Chevy showroom is a lot different than a Porsche showroom. On a Chevy showroom, there's likely to be several models under $30K like the Cruze, Malibu, and Nova. So the majority of their customers are looking to buy a sub $30K car, but if there's a $75K Corvette on the showroom, I'd expect that they would love to take one for a drive. Since an average Chevy dealer gets a lot more foot traffic in one day than a Porsche dealer gets in a week, a Corvette would quickly accumulate significant mileage. And probably 90% of those driving the Vette would have no intention of buying it.
 

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Ugh ... this could be answered by pages of text. We are all different. I, personally, cannot care less who passes me and in what car as long as that doesn't become a nuisance to me and prevents me from having fun.

Last time was April this year. I was on unfamiliar track (haven't been in 5 years), brand new pavement (slick, all barely remembered reference points gone), at 38 degrees F under clouds, in the fast group and with nobody in the right seat. 35 cars on 1.75 miles track. Horrible. First session I did nothing but watching rear view mirror and could hardly take two corners without interference. Yeah, I hate being passed like that.

Those other sessions on other tracks and events where getting yourself out in the upper middle of the group (raceboys up front will catch you, but only once and after mid point of the session), with 25 cars on 2.5 miles track, all drivers are doing extremely close times, you interact with max 10 cars (pass them/being passed) in 30 minutes ... who cares? I had Spec Miatas and BRZ fly by me without even a second thought and with a huge grin on my face.

So, no, I cannot care less who passes me. Remember - for fastest lap (or fastest session time), there is exactly zero dollars offered/won in DE/HPDE. Each DE/HPDE 2-day weekend costs you roughly $1,000+ (all in, maint costs pro-rated) in a Cayman not including depreciation. If you are not having fun ... why bother? Not for money, that's for darn sure. My opinion only, of course.
Did you miss the emoji after my statement?
 

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I find it interesting that so many people are getting hung up on the whole test drive thing and the C8, with the level of interest and amount of deposits I am sure Chevrolet is not worried as it looks like they will sell every one they can build. I think with the Corvette, for those not familiar with them, they are simply too powerful to let an unfamiliar driver take it out for a blast, things can go wrong all too fast in this scenario. <img src="http://www.planet-9.com/images/smilies/eek.png" border="0" alt="" title="EEK!" class="inlineimg" />

Someone mentioned a perspective buyer preferring a near zero mile car, you can count me in on that as well, there is no way I want buy the car that some idiot was revving the snot out of an engine not even broken in 'just to see what it can do"... to me this would be like buying a rental car, ya like that is going to happen!

If you want one (a C8, GT4 or Spyder) you will order and buy one, if you don't like it you simply won't keep it as long, and for those saying the lack of a test drive is a deal breaker, your loss as there will be others ready to take your place as all three of these cars have more than enough interested parties! <img src="http://www.planet-9.com/images/smilies/wink.png" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" />
I think it's fine if a Porsche dealership has a demo and lets customers drive it. Unfortunately most Porsche dealers let anyone drive any car on their lots. They just flip the key to the customer and say have a good time. About ten years ago one of my sons worked at a local Porsche dealership during summers. He convinced me never to buy a Porsche off the lot with more than 15 miles on the odometer. He told me that many, not all, of the guys test driving 911s abused the hell out of them: going to redline right out the dealership was common, and this is on a cold engine.

With respect to the Corvette, it depends on circumstances. With the huge demand for the C8, I doubt that there will be many on dealers' lots. Some small dealers with just a few allocations, will probably have a significant ADM on their C8, and it will just sit on the dealer's showroom to generate foot traffic. I doubt that anyone will be allowed to test drive that car. Hell, the doors will probably be locked, so you won't even be able to sit in it.

Let's not forget that a Chevy showroom is a lot different than a Porsche showroom. On a Chevy showroom, there's likely to be several models under $30K like the Cruze, Malibu, and Nova. So the majority of their customers are looking to buy a sub $30K car, but if there's a $75K Corvette on the showroom, I'd expect that they would love to take one for a drive. Since an average Chevy dealer gets a lot more foot traffic in one day than a Porsche dealer gets in a week, a Corvette would quickly accumulate significant mileage. And probably 90% of those driving the Vette would have no intention of buying it.
But there is a difference between a lookie-lou biding time while their Traverse gets an oil change versus a qualified buyer who establishes real intent to buy the car, comes with loan paperwork in hand, and has a track record of buying high brand sports cars for 15+ years. This is the car that has European sports car enthusiasts interested. GM has a chance to move the needle on a whole generation and category of buyer. And I think that is why they chose to drive the car through Manhattan in April and then officially unveil this car in Orange County just a few miles from Newport Beach to show off.

This is not grandpas Corvette. They cant treat it likes it just a showroom car.

GM needs to show people they can give Porsche service to committed Porschephiles to convince them to cross the street.

And about the concern of ZERO miles and wrecking the engine. I dont see what a sales manager cant drive a potential buyer around a pre-planned route to show off its handling and then let the buyer drive for a couple of miles. If the car cant handle that its crap
 

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Interesting perspective. https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives/a28508232/porsche-718-boxster-gts-specs-review/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_rdt&utm_medium=email&date=080219&src=nl&utm_campaign=17668583

The best car for driving in the real world from the Porsche mid-engine family might be the GTS. Better suspension and chassis control than the Spyder, without loss of handling and grip. Yes, with a flat six (not necessarily a touring version of the GT4) it would perhaps be more sonorous to some. I actually don't care about sub-3 second 0-60: the GTS does it 4-ish (some tests have it as low as 3.6) which is about as much as can be used in a DD on a frequent basis.
Interesting read and of course one persons viewpoint, but thanks for sharing!

With the praise heaped upon the Boxster GTS, my 2016 should find a home quite easily then... ;)
 

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But there is a difference between a lookie-lou biding time while their Traverse gets an oil change versus a qualified buyer who establishes real intent to buy the car, comes with loan paperwork in hand, and has a track record of buying high brand sports cars for 15+ years. This is the car that has European sports car enthusiasts interested. GM has a chance to move the needle on a whole generation and category of buyer. And I think that is why they chose to drive the car through Manhattan in April and then officially unveil this car in Orange County just a few miles from Newport Beach to show off.

This is not grandpas Corvette. They cant treat it likes it just a showroom car.

GM needs to show people they can give Porsche service to committed Porschephiles to convince them to cross the street.

And about the concern of ZERO miles and wrecking the engine. I dont see what a sales manager cant drive a potential buyer around a pre-planned route to show off its handling and then let the buyer drive for a couple of miles. If the car cant handle that its crap
My points were that Chevrolet would sell them easily without a test drive, not that a test drive would not be welcomed or might convince somebody on the fence, although I suspect the 'fence sitters' are not in the reservation list either!

As for that test drive, you scenario works but also requires the dealership keep a easily sold car around in order to convince somebody to buy, at this time probably not needed, but when the fever cools probably a good move.

I will say that no matter the car, if I am spending this kind of money for a 'new' car I don't want the rental, service loaner or mangers demonstrator either, I want as close to untouched as possible! ;)
 

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I arrived at a Chevy dealer in a Carrera GTS to arrange to try a C7 and they told me they never allow Corvette test drives. That was with a car that wasn't "sold out" before one has been built, so C8 test drives are probably going to be as rare a GT3 service loaners.
This happened to me with the C7 about one year ago. My brother has purchased a number of Corvettes and has had no problem getting a test drive in Corvettes (C7 and before).
 

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Porsche! How much of this particular equation has changed?

You still have boy racer looks, Chevy dealers, and a poor interior

And no driving reviews!

Are they ready st thus point or not?
 

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Its my opinion too. The GTS is supposed to be the Porsche for the street and the GT2, 3, 4 for the track
Hmmm, I guess it depends on your definition of "for the track/street?"

Andreas Preuninger after his walk around at FOS with Henry of Carfection said his preference for the street would be the 718 Spyder, top down, favorite music on the stereo and a winding country road on Sunday morning when everybody else is sleeping...

I'm in! :)
 

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But there is a difference between a lookie-lou biding time while their Traverse gets an oil change versus a qualified buyer who establishes real intent to buy the car, comes with loan paperwork in hand, and has a track record of buying high brand sports cars for 15+ years. This is the car that has European sports car enthusiasts interested. GM has a chance to move the needle on a whole generation and category of buyer. And I think that is why they chose to drive the car through Manhattan in April and then officially unveil this car in Orange County just a few miles from Newport Beach to show off.

This is not grandpas Corvette. They cant treat it likes it just a showroom car.

GM needs to show people they can give Porsche service to committed Porschephiles to convince them to cross the street.

And about the concern of ZERO miles and wrecking the engine. I dont see what a sales manager cant drive a potential buyer around a pre-planned route to show off its handling and then let the buyer drive for a couple of miles. If the car cant handle that its crap
The challenge that GM will have in 2020 is making enough C8s to satisfy demand. Based on historical data, GM can build about 40K Corvettes in a year, and rumor is that they already have deposits on over 25K cars. So I doubt that you'll get a test drive in 2020. By 2021 the demand should subside some, and your chance of getting a test drive should be far greater.
It appears that some dealers offer test drives, whereas others don't. Several years ago I took my son to a Chevy dealer to pick up his car which had just been serviced. When I went into the showroom, I made the mistake of checking out a Corvette. A salesman immediately walked over to me, and almost begged me to take the car on a test drive. Since they had to go through a hassle to get the car off the showroom floor and the chances of my buying the car were nearly zero, I did my best to decline but the SA wouldn't take no for an answer. And no, I didn't buy the car but I took some literature that they gave me.
 
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