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I've refinished my track wheels (19"). Took the car to Firestone to have it put on the rack to see how much clearance I have for front and rear tires. It has about 15mm clearance front and rear to the strut towers.

So I ordered 245/35-19 and 275/45-19 Firehawk Indy 500 tires. No, not RE71, but at my stage of development, and needing to drive on them to the track, I think they will be a good starting point.
 

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My Firestone story: My company car included a Phh service charge card. Firestone was one of the main places we took our vehicles. On one such visit, they changed the tie rod ends on my Taurus. When I got the car back I had to get to a meeting, the steering was akin to a buckboard. Upon return to Firestone the service manager said "You likely need a new steering rack then" (mileage 30,000). When I asked if they had aligned the vehicle post tie rod end replacement the same man (straight faced) said "sir the tie rod ends have nothing to do with the steering". That's when I schooled him on how I spent my teen years before my college experiences, dream job and fancy suits. Anyhow, myself? I wouldn't let Firestone anywhere near any of my vehicles, low functioning, entry level "sort of mechanic" scallywags all of them. Quota driven debauchery specialists who fortify the "dirty mechanic" lore we all know well.
 

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My Firestone story: My company car included a Phh service charge card. Firestone was one of the main places we took our vehicles. On one such visit, they changed the tie rod ends on my Taurus. When I got the car back I had to get to a meeting, the steering was akin to a buckboard. Upon return to Firestone the service manager said "You likely need a new steering rack then" (mileage 30,000). When I asked if they had aligned the vehicle post tie rod end replacement the same man (straight faced) said "sir the tie rod ends have nothing to do with the steering". That's when I schooled him on how I spent my teen years before my college experiences, dream job and fancy suits. Anyhow, myself? I wouldn't let Firestone anywhere near any of my vehicles, low functioning, entry level "sort of mechanic" scallywags all of them. Quota driven debauchery specialists who fortify the "dirty mechanic" lore we all know well.
I've had good luck with this Firestone store over the years. And all I'm asking them to do is mount 4 tires.
 

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Boris, good story, but I don’t really see a connection between your experience and the Indy 500 tire. I recently installed these tires on my Acura TLX and so far so good. Time will tell how well they perform. Owner reviews are very good. Apparently these tires are rebranded versions of a well known Bridgestone tire (Bridgestone owns Firestone).
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Not a fan of their tires either but specifically I was referring to their techs, management and business ethics. I'm a Michelin guy, my Spyder came with Potenza's although adequate and no complaints I was happy to see them go.
 

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Not a fan of their tires either but specifically I was referring to their techs, management and business ethics. I'm a Michelin guy, my Spyder came with Potenza's although adequate and no complaints I was happy to see them go.
I agree on the Michelin front. My road tires are PS4S and it will be a cold day down below before I buy anything other than Michelin for the road...for any vehicle I have.

But the Firehawks cost 2/3 of PS4S and will only be used on the track.
 

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I agree with you too, track is a different situation and hey by the time my truck needs tires again it will be near a 100K so it's unlikely to be fitted with Michelin tires.
 

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Hey guys, so I really liked the Firestone Indy 500's...I've used them as "daily driver" tires on 2 previous sports cars. HOWEVER, they have very soft sidewalls. I switched from RE71R's for autocross to these the first weekend I had them and thought I was going to lose control of the car for the first couple of miles until I understood what was going on.

Compared to RE's or Rivals, they are very spongy. The good news is that the grip is pretty good (not on par with RE's, but good for the street), and they are VERY quiet. Road noise was much reduced. My previous 2 cars was a Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track, and an MR2 Spyder.

Just be aware that going down the freeway you can jiggle the steering wheel a bit and the car will yaw back and forth while going in a straight line. :O
 

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Had the tires mounted then wheels attached. Dude at Firestone moved the center caps from regular wheels to these...WHY?

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The Firestone Firehawk Indy 500 tires are 245/35R19 and 275/35R19 whereas my Michelin PS4S daily tires are 235/40R19 and 265/40R19. A cursory check of the fronts and they measure pretty much the same width. I don't have a caliper that opens to 12" so a little hard to be accurate while one set is on the car. I will be bleeding the brakes this weekend and I'll try to remember to measure while the wheels are off.
 

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If you are new to the track, it's a good idea to dial it down on your first set of tires. You need to bring the limits of the car down closer to your limits. I put cheap tires on my E-30 for almost a year so I could get lots of good slip angle experience at the speeds I was capable of going. You need to feel the tires slipping and it is a lot easier on cheap tires. Once I moved up to RE-71s, I jumped past my fellow travelers pretty quickly. Yes, you will be slower, for a while.

At Road Atlanta, we had a guy show up in a brand new Cayman GTS (it still had a temporary tag). On his second lap of the first session, he planted it so deep into the wall at turn 5 that it took 30 mins to dig him out. The car went through the tire wall and hit concrete. He was OK but the car went home on a flatbed. Done.
 

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Had the tires mounted then wheels attached. Dude at Firestone moved the center caps from regular wheels to these...WHY?
I think these caps would look perfect with your wheels. Let me know if you want a set.

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If you are new to the track, it's a good idea to dial it down on your first set of tires. You need to bring the limits of the car down closer to your limits. I put cheap tires on my E-30 for almost a year so I could get lots of good slip angle experience at the speeds I was capable of going. You need to feel the tires slipping and it is a lot easier on cheap tires. Once I moved up to RE-71s, I jumped past my fellow travelers pretty quickly. Yes, you will be slower, for a while.

At Road Atlanta, we had a guy show up in a brand new Cayman GTS (it still had a temporary tag). On his second lap of the first session, he planted it so deep into the wall at turn 5 that it took 30 mins to dig him out. The car went through the tire wall and hit concrete. He was OK but the car went home on a flatbed. Done.
Next track day is 4/18. This will be my 3rd track day, 2nd in this car (other was a 718 Cayman GTS in Vegas) and 2nd time on this track. I went easy on the tires in my previous track day with my car because I was on my daily tires. I didn't like holding back, so I went and bought wheels and now tires specifically for the track. I chose the Firestones because,
1. cheaper than PS4S or RE71,
2. they are not 200 tread life
3. came in the sizes I was looking for
4. will allow me to get closer to the edge of traction at a lower speed than RE71 or Nittos (similar to your E-30 experience)

I would love to be the fastest on the track, but that is low on the priority list
1. safety - both me and the car need to drive home in 1 piece
2. fun
3. get closer to the edge lap after lap

The track I'm going to is Grandsport Speedway near Galveston. It is a short track, my top speed last time was 95ish.
 

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I think these caps would look perfect with your wheels. Let me know if you want a set.

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I bought a set of these, but didn't take to Firestone as track day requires them to be removed and I didn't want them to lose them.

I think they need to be painted to match the wheels. I don't think the black matches very well, either in color or texture. Since the black wheels are for the track, they are rattle can painted.

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Next track day is 4/18. This will be my 3rd track day, 2nd in this car (other was a 718 Cayman GTS in Vegas) and 2nd time on this track. I went easy on the tires in my previous track day with my car because I was on my daily tires. I didn't like holding back, so I went and bought wheels and now tires specifically for the track. I chose the Firestones because,
1. cheaper than PS4S or RE71,
2. they are not 200 tread life
3. came in the sizes I was looking for
4. will allow me to get closer to the edge of traction at a lower speed than RE71 or Nittos (similar to your E-30 experience)

I would love to be the fastest on the track, but that is low on the priority list
1. safety - both me and the car need to drive home in 1 piece
2. fun
3. get closer to the edge lap after lap

The track I'm going to is Grandsport Speedway near Galveston. It is a short track, my top speed last time was 95ish.
Cool. I am going to Roebling Road Raceway near Savanna GA this weekend. It looks like rain otherwise I'd break out the Toyo Proxes RR's. Always remember, straights are for fast cars, corners are for fast drivers. When you are ready, the car will be there for you. My old BMW tops out at about 115 but I can keep up with Corvettes at most tracks. If you can keep up with the Miata's in the corners, then you are getting quick.
 

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Cool. I am going to Roebling Road Raceway near Savanna GA this weekend. It looks like rain otherwise I'd break out the Toyo Proxes RR's. Always remember, straights are for fast cars, corners are for fast drivers. When you are ready, the car will be there for you. My old BMW tops out at about 115 but I can keep up with Corvettes at most tracks. If you can keep up with the Miata's in the corners, then you are getting quick.
I'll be happy if I can keep up with the guy in the golf who was at my last track day.
 

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Respect the guy driving a Gen 1 Rabbit/Golf, he's risking life and limb out there. It's amazing how fast they can get those things to go.

Recently we had an older gentleman show up with a Ferrari 250 GTO (yes a real one, and it was gorgeous). Anyway, he was very slow but we were all afraid to get near him for fear we would accidentally deprive the world. We all did lots of 'parade' laps that day.
 
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