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Problems with tires getting too hot at autocross?

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ThrottleSteer
I made about 7 x 40-second runs yesterday in 65º weather on Hoosier A7s and ended up with this on my left rear tire. The course had nearly equal features from right to left, but it seems this was the only tire with any (and excessive) rubber travel. I'm running 36lbs in the fronts and 39lbs in the rears, adjusting between runs. I didn't pyrometer since my camber is maxed out. Stock PASM suspension with -1.4º front, -1.9º rear. But, the rubber travel seems pretty excessive given the circumstances. Any ideas?

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westwest888
How could the tires get too hot in 39 seconds? It looks like you picked up other rubber mostly.


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gcurnew
Yep...that looks like pickup to me. Were your lines getting you into the marbles on that corner of the car? Try getting a blade under a corner of the gunk and see if you can lift it up.
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ThrottleSteer
I'm pretty sure it's not pick up. The rubber is nearly 1/4" thick in some spots and is fairly consistent around the circumference of the tire. There just wasn't nearly that much rubber to pick up on the course, and I didn't see any 18-wheelers losing their re-treads anywhere in the vicinity.

The driver's side was sitting in the sun on the grid. So, it's possible the tires didn't cool down as much on that side. But, it looks as if the rubber migrated from the outside edge inward.
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Panda Dragon
I have to add another vote for "that looks like picked-up rubber or gunk." I've never seen "wear" that looks like that before. I can't imagine A7s overheating in 65 degree weather at AX. Yea, the A7 is supposed to operate at lower temps than the R7, but it doesn't get much lower than 65 degrees and the short AX sessions should be no problem. I guess there's a slight chance you got a bad tire (it does happen).
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westwest888
It's pickup man. A tire isn't an ice cream cone. It didn't melt in 39 seconds. You couldn't get it to look like that from melting in 39 minutes. If you drove properly those tires would last 39 hours.


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gcurnew
If the tire was chunking to that degree you would see cords showing. That picture shows additional rubber on the outside of the tire, not a melted carcass. If it had melted due to extreme heat, you would have left the rubber on the autocross course.
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cajundaddy
Marbles pickup.
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ThrottleSteer
That's an incredible amount of rubber on a single tire. The other three were completely clean. I'm going to bring it to my tire guy to shave. But, I wonder how I could pick up THAT much rubber on a single tire, even if I'm tracking the same line as other drivers?
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westwest888
It doesn't need to be shaved. Just drive on it.


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dcharnet
In 25 years of wheel to wheel road racing I have seen lots of this kind of thing. In road racing, it is typically marbles picked up on the cool-down lap, when the tires are hottest and the speed slowest. It flys off during the next hot session.

Mark the location with chalk. Make another run. See if it has gone from that spot. If it has not, call Hoosier for advice on how to remove it.
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