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The Fastest Production Car Lap Times at Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca

Motor Trend

No caveats here. The lap times are supported by hard data and represent showroom stock cars -- no cheater tires or modifications allowed. Cars with adjustable suspension can be set-up for track conditions, as a customer would.



• 1st: 2010 Dodge Viper ACR - 1:33.92
• 2008 Dodge Viper ACR - 1:35.12
• 2009 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 - 1:35.83
• 2007 Porsche 911 GT3 - 1:39.57
• 2009 Nissan GT-R - 1:40.45
• 2011 Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG - 1:40.74
• 2009 Audi R8 - 1:40.75
• 2006 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 - 1:40.92
• 2009 Audi R8 R Tronic - 1:40.92
• 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo - 1:42.51
• 2009 Porsche Cayman S PDK - 1:42.95
• 2008 BMW M3 - 1:42.96
• 2009 Cadillac CTS-V - 1:43.85
• 2010 Ford Shelby GT500 - 1:44.32
• 2008 Shelby GT500KR - 1:44.72
• 2009 Jaguar XFR - 1:45.37
• 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS - 1:45.72
• 2007 Lotus Exige S - 1:45.82
• 2009 BMW 135i - 1:46.01
• 2010 Nissan NISMO 370Z - 1:46.53
• 2006 Porsche Cayman S - 1:47.58










Driver: Randy Pobst
Tire: Michelin Pilot Sport

We said: "No other car here -- not one -- delivers the Porsche's Braillelike road-reading," says St. Antoine. "You can feel every tire doing its work."

Markus wholeheartedly agrees: "Probably more than any other car here, including the R8, this one feels like an extension of your neural synapses."

As with any great driver's car, the Cayman's supremacy comes in myriad forms, not just a single attribute.

First and foremost, the Porsche possesses uncanny poise, thanks in large part to the amidships placement of its symphonic 3.4-liter 320-horse flat-six.

"The balance is exceptional," notes St. Antoine. "Turn-in is sharp, yet the rear end stays planted unless you really kick it in a quick turn.

It's difficult to drive the Cayman S badly."

Much of what makes the Porsche so easy to push is its surgical steering.

"Most natural and organic steering here," claims Markus.

"The slower ratio ensures that none of the subtle messages coming through the wheel are lost in the rush to steer from here to there."

The hot-shoe's take:

"Man, hard to pick.

The Audi [R8] felt more valuable, it felt more expensive.

The sounds coming out of it were finer, more refined.

The Cayman was a little bit more of a race car, in comparison.

It made great noises and a lot of noise, but good noise, like a screaming-six-cylinder-exhaust noise." -- Randy Pobst

See: the Motor Trend Best Driver Feature:

http://www.planet-9.com/cayman-boxster-chat/35655-motor-trend-2009-top-drivers-cayman-wins.html

Read more: 2009 Porsche Cayman S PDK Laguna Lap - Motor Trend
 

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Considering that the GT3 is only 3 seconds faster than the Caymans S and that the GT3 comes with Cup tires, I am inclined to think there is very little difference between the GT3 and Cayman S by those times (not sure if there are other variables to consider though).
 

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Considering that the GT3 is only 3 seconds faster than the Caymans S and that the GT3 comes with Cup tires, I am inclined to think there is very little difference between the GT3 and Cayman S by those times (not sure if there are other variables to consider though).
I agree it would be nice to see what the Cayman could do on the cup tires. I'm also impressed with the Jaguar, that's one big heavy vehicle that got around pretty quickly.

FWIW I saw a PDK Cayman S turning faster lap times than a couple of 2007-2008 GT3's at the track this summer, but of course the driver makes a difference too.
 

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Almost 5 seconds difference between the 06 and the 09 CS, can 30 odd extra horse power really give you that much of a difference over one lap, or are other factors coming into play such as PASM vs standard suspension, or the presence of an LSD.
 

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Almost 5 seconds difference between the 06 and the 09 CS, can 30 odd extra horse power really give you that much of a difference over one lap, or are other factors coming into play such as PASM vs standard suspension, or the presence of an LSD.
No way that 10% more power will bring 5 seconds on that track.
 

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5 seconds-The driver (Randy Pobst) is the biggest variable. Plus HP, PDK, possibly PASM and other variables.

Grant. My GT3 came with a set of Pirelli's that I did not care for. Would have preferred the PS2s. Not all of them come with Pilot Sport Cups.
 

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I am seeing a lot of things I wouldn't expect on this lap time list. Ford Mustang and Chevy Camaro faster on the track then both CS models? The R8 yeah, the Z06? Maybe LS is a fast track friendlier to those faster on straights. I must say I am disappointed in the results, I didn't think the CS was that underpowered.
 

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5 seconds-The driver (Randy Pobst) is the biggest variable. Plus HP, PDK, possibly PASM and other variables.

Grant. My GT3 came with a set of Pirelli's that I did not care for. Would have preferred the PS2s. Not all of them come with Pilot Sport Cups.
Bearman, are you keeping the GT3, when the CS arrives. They look great in white, one of my fav P-cars. Would be great to hear your comparison of the two.
 

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Bearman, are you keeping the GT3, when the CS arrives. They look great in white, one of my fav P-cars. Would be great to hear your comparison of the two.
I have already traded it in to my local dealer. The only thing I am concerned about is I have been used to the 415HP. I believe the Cayman S will corner faster. I am hoping to be happy with the Cayman :)
 

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These lap timings are of 2006 Cayman S.
What about 2009 Cayman S equipped with PDK?
 

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If the list was extended a little, my S2000 is also on there.
 

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I am seeing a lot of things I wouldn't expect on this lap time list. Ford Mustang and Chevy Camaro faster on the track then both CS models? The R8 yeah, the Z06? Maybe LS is a fast track friendlier to those faster on straights. I must say I am disappointed in the results, I didn't think the CS was that underpowered.
You must have read that wrong, the Camaro and Mustang were slower than the 2009 Cayman S, but faster than the 2006 Cayman S, although I suspect the 2006 Cayman S time is artificially low since owners have turned better lap times than the one represented in the article.
 

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It is interesting to note that the Shelby GT500 (+1.6sec) has about 170HP advantage over the 09CS but is penalized by about 1000pounds not to mention a 58% front weight bias. I have back to back youtube videos at home, you can often see Randy super smooth in the turns in the CS but providing a ton of steering in the Shelby. To me it is a no brainer decision.
 

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I have already traded it in to my local dealer. The only thing I am concerned about is I have been used to the 415HP. I believe the Cayman S will corner faster. I am hoping to be happy with the Cayman :)
The TPC turbo system for your car will be ready and waiting when you get bored. :cheers:
 

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• 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo - 1:42.51
• 2009 Porsche Cayman S PDK - 1:42.95
• 2008 BMW M3 - 1:42.96
• 2009 Cadillac CTS-V - 1:43.85
• 2010 Ford Shelby GT500 - 1:44.32
• 2008 Shelby GT500KR - 1:44.72
• 2009 Jaguar XFR - 1:45.37
• 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS - 1:45.72
• 2007 Lotus Exige S - 1:45.82
• 2009 BMW 135i - 1:46.01
• 2010 Nissan NISMO 370Z - 1:46.53
• 2006 Porsche Cayman S - 1:47.58

I'm confused. I wanna know who was driving the CTS-V. The ones I've seen haven't been that quick. :crazy: I'd expect more from the Exige as well and less from the Jag. Camero SS? Puleezz! I wouldn't want to fly that critter through the corkscrew. It's a stop-light racer.

I'm of the opinion that the 2006 CS was underequipped...like no PASM, no SC and maybe brand new Conti 18" tires? 5 seconds to the '09 PDK would be about right then. If this is the Motor Trend car, it's got SC+ for the PDK. Not sure if it has PASM.

PDK is a pretty big advantage on track.

There is no arguing with a Viper ACR though. They are monsters.
 

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2007 Cayman S - 1:42.0

Stock weight (3220 w/ driver), -2.5, GT3 bars, PSS9, Quaife, Hoosier R6, no intake or exhaust changes

The tires are probably worth about 2-3 seconds @ LS.

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2007 Cayman S - 1:42.0

Stock weight (3220 w/ driver), -2.5, GT3 bars, PSS9, Quaife, Hoosier R6, no intake or exhaust changes

The are probably worth about 2-3 seconds @ LS.

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I would expect all those mods (especially the Hoosiers) to be worth at least 4-5 sec at LS.
 
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