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Interesting HP speculations of 240, 300, and 370 (base, S, and GTS respectively).
All I can say is: they better not weigh 3000lbs if the HP figures are as published! 2500lbs would be nice. But can a 2500lb car be mass produced today and still pass all the safety requirements/regulations?
 

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This is a long overdue marketing play that I expected would happen, eventually, about 10 years ago.

The Boxster was introduced as Porsche's entry-level car, and at the time, it did seem rather entry level. Now, certain trims of the Cayman and Boxster are nipping at the 911s' heels. There's nothing entry-level about it anymore. Not its performance, its handling, its interior, anything. They are simply a different sports car that they sell that's not a 911, that happens to have a lower ASP. The cars have been around long enough now (20 and 10 years) that they have their own fanbases who want these cars not as a stepping stone to a 911, but *just* those cars -- I would know, I'm one of them.

As of the Type 981, something happened: Porsche has since verified that people are absolutely willing to pay $100,000 for some versions of their mid-engine sports cars, if the value proposition is good enough. Not a few, weird, optioned-to-the-hilt ones, but a fair number. In the case of the Boxster Spyder (ASP for models via PCNA is ~$96,200) and Cayman GT4 specifically, it would appear that the ASP is a fair bit higher than the Jaguar F-Type.

So the name change makes sense. Sure, it coincides with the return to 4-cylinder power plants, but putting a legendary marque on the car shows that Porsche means business with it. I'd expect the gap between the 718 and the 911 to continue to be nibbled away at, and for even higher performance -- and more expensive -- versions to come in the future. Right now we're seeing people shelling out nearly $100K on average for some 981s. I'd expect to see a $125K ASP 718 not with the upcoming revision (981.2), but in the next new model. Part of that is simply inflation, part of that is my belief that there are enough people willing to pay for it and the performance it should offer. After all, there's no competition in the mid-engine sports car space really, until you get up to the McLaren 570S, Audi R8 and Lamborghini Húracan. It only makes sense that Porsche widen the price range of what's available, lest some other manufacturer come in and take those customers.

For those who want a 911, Porsche still has the 911. For those who don't want a 911, Porsche has something else that doesn't pull any punches. Perfect example of market broadening done right.
 

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My new 718 is great, but what are those two spark plugs and coil packs sitting in the trunk for?
 

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Can't say I'm too thrilled with the idea of a 4-cylinder Cayman, especially at Porsche pricing. It will be competent I'm sure, but a Porsche needs a 6-cylinder at the minimum if for nothing else but sound. I'm even more glad I snagged a GT4 now, as it will be my keeper.
 

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All I can say is: they better not weigh 3000lbs if the HP figures are as published! 2500lbs would be nice. But can a 2500lb car be mass produced today and still pass all the safety requirements/regulations?

Nope. It's the same car. It might be a tad lighter due to the different engine, but then again the turbos and charge piping probably make up for the loss of 2 cylinders so far as weight goes. Add some intercoolers and it might be heavier.

You should start another thread to talk about this though. Let's not send this one off the rails before a single person has actually posted about taking delivery. :D
 

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When the rumors of the 718 came out a little over a year ago I was very interested in buying my first Porsche. I had since bought a '14 CS when there was a report that said it was dead. I was even a member of the new forum at the time, Porsche 718 Forum. The initial speculation was the entry version coupe with base engine would be priced under $42K to start, and would be very minimal to honor the racing legend. Only the convertible version (718 Boxster) would have the luxury features like we get in the current 981s and would carry an much bigger price tag over the coupe version.
 

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My 2015 Honda Fit weighs 2500 lbs. So subcompacts can. Doubt a compact car like the 718 would be able to without some serious hi-tech materials and engineering.


All I can say is: they better not weigh 3000lbs if the HP figures are as published! 2500lbs would be nice. But can a 2500lb car be mass produced today and still pass all the safety requirements/regulations?
 

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My 2015 Honda Fit weighs 2500 lbs. So subcompacts can. Doubt a compact car like the 718 would be able to without some serious hi-tech materials and engineering.
But the 718 ought to be smaller than a 981. And our cars are already made out of Al, etc. How about it, Porsche?
 

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But the 718 ought to be smaller than a 981.
I presume they are still 981 series, possibly 981.2

Adding 718 to the name is just a name/marketing change.
The change to the name just happens at the same time as a mid-series change (and a radical eng one change)

Size wise, they are the same chassis and probably most of the body.
 

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Looking at the drawings of what those think it might be and one of the spy shots, I'm hoping for a weight drop with the change over to a more stripped version. If base coupe is 240 HP / 265 TQ and weights 2600 lbs with of the creature features removed I would consider selling my 981 and make my 718 a track queen.
 

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Looking at the drawings of what those think it might be and one of the spy shots, I'm hoping for a weight drop with the change over to a more stripped version. If base coupe is 240 HP / 265 TQ and weights 2600 lbs with of the creature features removed I would consider selling my 981 and make my 718 a track queen.
Wild Weasel is correct. The 781 is for all intents and purposes a refreshed 981 with a different engine. Weight is still going to hover around 3000 lbs.

I just hope for those who dream of owning a Porsche and look to this car, that Porsche opens up the customization options again. The 2016 choices for interior colours are depressingly limited.
 

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All I can say is: they better not weigh 3000lbs if the HP figures are as published! 2500lbs would be nice. But can a 2500lb car be mass produced today and still pass all the safety requirements/regulations?
I believe the new Exige 350 is around 2500 lbs, & given how spartan it is I can't imagine a 981 getting down to that level.

It will be quite interesting to see the final power figures. I'm sure Porsche will manage to make due the best they can, but I question having a 2.0L I4 turbo in such an expensive sports car. It's a poor comparison but the 2L turbo 4 (also 240 hp) in the new BMW's has acceptable power for the cars in which they are fitted, but (at least in X3 trim) it is pretty much silent and there is a discernible delay in waiting for the boost to spool up from a start or at low rpm. I can't imagine wanting the same type of engine in a 981.
 

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I believe the new Exige 350 is around 2500 lbs, & given how spartan it is I can't imagine a 981 getting down to that level.

It will be quite interesting to see the final power figures. I'm sure Porsche will manage to make due the best they can, but I question having a 2.0L I4 turbo in such an expensive sports car. It's a poor comparison but the 2L turbo 4 (also 240 hp) in the new BMW's has acceptable power for the cars in which they are fitted, but (at least in X3 trim) it is pretty much silent and there is a discernible delay in waiting for the boost to spool up from a start or at low rpm. I can't imagine wanting the same type of engine in a 981.
H4, not I4
 
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