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WOTD : Human mental insanity and climate change

I have been saying this and made myself unpopular to both bandwagons for a long time now. "This" being a very realistic assessment of the scale/size of the area of human influence on the planet Earth specifically and in the Universe in general : our area of influence is so big that we count as much as two of spades when trump called/bid is clubs. Therefore, we can influence just as much - which is to say "nothing". Or as close to Planck Nothing as we can possibly get. Which then leads me to saying that yes, there is a climate change going on and no, stop being psychotic, there is nothing you or I can do about it.

I fully understand that the assessment of one's influence always comes from a software circuit/level that is NOT the rational-thinking one. Has something to do with marking one's territory with excrement or somesuch and defending it by physical force, I heard. Considering the amount of time the average human spends running rational level software, it is of a very little surprise that we have made the ideas of human greatness a very popular ones. But people doing and writing about science, and especially so those studying/writing about things that are very hard to observe directly, they should not exactly think on mammal circuitry, right? Think again ... this from a PhD in Physics who works in extremely prestigious institute (bold is mine) and whose name I will mercifully withhold:

"Black holes are some of the strangest phenomena in our universe. Here, we first want to discuss them as objects of a classical physical theory, where classical means that we forget about all possible quantum effects and their consequences. In the present case the underlying classical theory is Einstein’s theory of gravity. It describes space and time in terms of a collection of fields whose behavior is dictated by the Einstein equations."

May God help us when established scientists use the language as the one evidenced above. Saying that ... no, scratch that, WRITING that should be more than evidence enough how darn insane and psychotic our species truly is. Say your prayers and say them often (and I am not even religious).
 

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A serious whine. A lot of whining here has been about service. Thats common. It has its ups and down. Some about global warming. Of course the earth changes. Why would anyone thing we live in a static system? How does that make sense to think nothing ever changes? But over time a constant whine has been about the press. Gone is the time of just the facts, "who, what, when, where, and why" replaced by accountability journalism and the press' "opinion", which outside of the editorial pages is meaningless to the facts. It's not any one outlet, but seems to be pervasive across the bias spectrum.

I think "journalists" are getting angry they are losing control. That control was lost the moment the Internet matured. Everyone has a video camera in their hand and can self publish. The major networks are no longer needed. Intermediate "analysis" is no longer needed nor pundits needed. Everyone has an opinion and can research everything from a vast library of resources. This tiny bit is accurate, IMO


TL;DR, Boomers used to see the big 3 networks or handful of national papers and believe what was said. Those days are over. Fake news is everywhere and guess what? Journalists opinions don't matter. But older folks tend to still believe the news while the younger crowd gets their news from diverse sources. Think for yourself.

A journalist opinion


Read the pushback. TL;DR, no diseases are named for locations they originate and the list is endless (e.g., Lyme, Warburg, Ebola, West Nile, etc.)

Opinions, like buttholes, everyone got one and theirs is no better than yours. And since they keep throwing out opinions, perhaps the age of "the news" is over. As the population ages, the "silent generation" disappears and the Baby Boomers, who grew up with network news, Walter Cronkite, Huntley/Brinkley, etc., they too will age and disappear. Gen X and those who grew up with the Internet and matures as reporting technology, smart phones, twitter, etc matured, no longer seek news from "icons".

Bye Bye Journalists. Your day might be over. And you could have been a "contender", if only you dumped accountability journalism, kept your opinions to yourself, and just reported the facts, and not what you wanted readers to see. I guess over the upcoming years, the citizen journalist will reign, and newsrooms will disappear to a small core group of people.

Anyone notice the ever increasing number of paywalls? LOL, why would anyone pay to read a virtual newspaper when there are 20 other sources?
 

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I only had one encounter with being interviewed by a journalist about 20 years ago in Italy. It was about a local club, nothing Earth-shattering, nothing really important and it was a decent length - about a half of the newspaper page. It was amazing to see how almost every answer was edited and didn't exactly have the meaning I was trying to convey. Mind, no lies or anything like that, it was just that, if I had written it, the meaning coming across would have been different.

After that experience, I am wary to have anything to do with journalists. Heck, even on Internet forums I get misunderstood and who read understood what I wanted to say quite differently from what I wanted to say when writing it - and that is what I personally wrote without any editing by a journalist with an even benign agenda.
 

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simple question: how can you bitch about the opinions of others when you are so full of them - and it - yourself?
 

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WOTD : About human insanity - part II

"Advances in computer vision have occurred so rapidly that local and national privacy policies—what aspects of your face and body should be protected by law from surveillance machines—are lagging far behind A.I.’s technological capabilities, leaving the public vulnerable to a modern panopticon, a total-surveillance society that could be built before we know enough to stop it. Chris Meserole, a foreign-policy fellow at the Brookings Institution who studies China’s use of face recognition and other surveillance technologies—widely deployed as part of Xi Jinping’s “stability maintenance” drive—told me that policymakers in the States haven’t, so far, created governing structures to safeguard citizens. And, he added, “in the U.S., the government hasn’t thought to use it yet the way that China has.


What's Market price for morons today? Dime a dozen.

Take an entity that cannot find their own anus using both hands and a flashlight - and that would be any Government on the planet, communist or not. Give them a total surveillance tool and we are all supposed to shake in our boots, soil our pants and make good on Second Amendment? Really? What school did this guys go to? The one that is in their childhood room closet together with a Boogeyman?

But give that and many other tools to a ruthlessly efficient competition-eating or competition-killing machine that survives by enhanced Darwin laws ... ah, no, nothing to worry about here. Don't be paranoid. They are good guys, they are titans of American economy. That's like a gazelle in African savanna that keeps looking at the sky for eagles and having no worry for leopards, lions, cheetahs or hyenas. Not very healthy for the gazelle.

What exactly did people replace their brains with in the last 2 decades or so? Cowpies? Unbelievable.
 

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simple question: how can you bitch about the opinions of others when you are so full of them - and it - yourself?

The "press". This is a comment in regard to the US government partnering with the big retailers to provide space for virus test, like Walmart, Walgreen, and the like.


Who is the federal government going to partner with to help its citizens? 5th graders? Its comments like this that means the press is no longer relevant. Yeah, thats a whine. Not an opinion, a fact. In times of crisis, government needs to partner with private industry. The country comes together.

CYA Too bad the media's run is over.
 

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CYA Too bad the media's run is over.
Why doesn't "the press" publicize this? Ya think it might be important?


For a week all I heard was doom and gloom, RECESSION! The press cheerleading the end is near. Stock market "pauses" as circuit breakers kick in. All day long, all cable stations - BAD BAD!!!

How many people new the circuit breakers work both ways? I didn't. On Friday morning futures were paused because the 7% limit kicked in. And last night and today, do you see the the press constantly talking about the biggest one day gain ever? Of course not.

CYA, no longer relevant
 

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Why doesn't "the press" publicize this? Ya think it might be important?


For a week all I heard was doom and gloom, RECESSION! The press cheerleading the end is near. Stock market "pauses" as circuit breakers kick in. All day long, all cable stations - BAD BAD!!!

How many people new the circuit breakers work both ways? I didn't. On Friday morning futures were paused because the 7% limit kicked in. And last night and today, do you see the the press constantly talking about the biggest one day gain ever? Of course not.

have some very bad news for youse - practically all you and everybody else who might actually pay attention to the pandemic reality now confronting us are going to hear, see or experience for the foreseeable future will be 'doom and gloom.' this country, under orange 'leadership' is much more poorly prepared for the COVID-19 virus than were china, iran or italy. to obtain an accurate indication of what the near-term future holds for american citizens, simply observe current conditions in italy, where there are not enough healthcare providers, not enough hospitals, insufficient beds, ventilators etc. doctors having to choose who gets to live and who will be left to die.






whatsmore, the financial press did, in fact, publicize 'the biggest one day gain ever' but this event, was one up-day out of out of about two dozen down-days - so not nearly as significant as one might imagine.

and lastly, sharyl attkisson is an addlebrained knucklehead. strong start. but did not finish.


 

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For a week all I heard was doom and gloom

I urge everyone to read the first link below and then, if you still have the stomach for it, any of the other links that you may find interesting. they are all informative.

the truth is out there. seek it.






 

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the costs that will be incurred due to this pandemic are going to be great and they are going to be widespread. and everybody is going to be paying more for the products and services they wish to obtain, as a result. perhaps in terms of costs. or inconvenience. or unavailability. these higher costs will be passed on to everybody, including reluctant republicans. everybody gotta pay more. no 'salesmen' required.

and this is the same sort of situation - but on a much larger scale - that is bound to unfold as our world continues to experience dramatically increasing damages from climate change.

costs will go up. everybody will pay. no 'salesmen' required. [see you at the checkout lane, chows]
 

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have some very bad news for youse - practically all you and everybody else who might actually pay attention to the pandemic reality now confronting us are going to hear, see or experience for the foreseeable future will be 'doom and gloom.' this country, under orange 'leadership'

and lastly, sharyl attkisson is an addlebrained knucklehead. strong start. but did not finish.
You just can't help yourself from attacking politicians, can you? Why can't you simply keep the arguments to the facts and keep personal biases out of it? As to the rest, those are all good whines. Feel free to whine away. :) But keep your political attacks out of this forum.

For information Sheryl Attkisson is a respected journalist. She has a national TV show. Full Measure with Sharyl Attkisson - Wikipedia Attack her if you must as addled-brained, I guess its no worse than someone attacking CNN hosts. The point of her tweet was who was dying was hidden by the press. Average age of deaths in Italy is 81. Look it up. Doom and gloom, Read the global reports on the ages of deaths. Its certainly tragic for the elderly but under 50, its far far better, magnitudes better. That was the point of my whine.

I've read the material. Italy is an old population, at 45. Its reported Northern Italy is worse. Northern Italy is where the Chinese have factories. Look it up. Lots of Chinese workers doing Italian leather. One example


Italy has "quasi" socialist medicine, a bad thing, and nothing like the US or US capacity. But its true, flattening the Curve is important as can be indicated by the Philadelphia vs St Louis approaches to the Spanish Flu in 1918. Look it up. The charts are all over the place. You linked to one. And so the fact the ages were hidden for some time is annoying. But of course very tragic. How many factories are there in the US populated with Chinese immigrant workers? Take a guess.

MSM - Doom and Gloom. Praying for a recession. Praying for the economy to collapse. Many example all over the internet. Even with people dying the media just can't keep politics out of it.

And I remember when we were going to all die from the Ozone layer going away, and then the next Ice Age in the early 80s, and then MERS, then SARS, then Zika, then H1N1, and on and on and on.
 

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I urge everyone to read the first link below and then, if you still have the stomach for it, any of the other links that you may find interesting. they are all informative.

the truth is out there. seek it.





All good whines if you believe the MSM. Good thing I don't believe the NYT for anything. They have all been so truthful. So if you believe them, I guess thats a good whine. Go for it :) I approve.

the costs that will be incurred due to this pandemic are going to be great and they are going to be widespread. and everybody is going to be paying more for the products and services they wish to obtain, as a result. perhaps in terms of costs. or inconvenience. or unavailability. these higher costs will be passed on to everybody, including reluctant republicans. everybody gotta pay more. no 'salesmen' required.

and this is the same sort of situation - but on a much larger scale - that is bound to unfold as our world continues to experience dramatically increasing damages from climate change.

costs will go up. everybody will pay. no 'salesmen' required. [see you at the checkout lane, chows]
Again with the politics? Why can't you just write and whine without putting politics into it? Your whines are good. The politics are not.

Check out lane? :unsure: Unlike a lot of people, I don't keep two days of food around. Having been through hurricanes and many blizzards, blizzards were the worst. Around here, a reporter even mentions the word snow and the entire population cleans out the stores, mostly peanut butter, milk, bread, and paper products. Just mass hysteria. It snows for two days and people are petrified of being snowbound. Then it doesn't snow heavy for 3 or 4 years, people totally forget, and the next mention of snow, and it starts again.If you havent got a couple of weeks of whatever you need around, already, you never learned from history. Some people never learn from history.

However, I know it will snow again ⛄ and between hurricanes or tropical storms and snow ❄. you learn to always be prepared. Maybe your part of the country isn't prepared but don't presume that of everywhere. Its still winter you know. Temps get below freezing, ice can happened. Mid March snowstorms can and do happen.

I completely understand the need of the elderly to be prepared. Maybe they don't go to the store often or depend upon others. They need to stock up. I get that and feel for them. Thats sad. Take care of them.
 

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You just can't help yourself from attacking politicians, can you? Why can't you simply keep the arguments to the facts and keep personal biases out of it? As to the rest, those are all good whines. Feel free to whine away. :) But keep your political attacks out of this forum.

For information Sheryl Attkisson is a respected journalist. She has a national TV show. Full Measure with Sharyl Attkisson - Wikipedia Attack her if you must as addled-brained, I guess its no worse than someone attacking CNN hosts. The point of her tweet was who was dying was hidden by the press. Average age of deaths in Italy is 81. Look it up. Doom and gloom, Read the global reports on the ages of deaths. Its certainly tragic for the elderly but under 50, its far far better, magnitudes better. That was the point of my whine.

I've read the material. Italy is an old population, at 45. Its reported Northern Italy is worse. Northern Italy is where the Chinese have factories. Look it up. Lots of Chinese workers doing Italian leather. One example


Italy has "quasi" socialist medicine, a bad thing, and nothing like the US or US capacity. But its true, flattening the Curve is important as can be indicated by the Philadelphia vs St Louis approaches to the Spanish Flu in 1918. Look it up. The charts are all over the place. You linked to one. And so the fact the ages were hidden for some time is annoying. But of course very tragic. How many factories are there in the US populated with Chinese immigrant workers? Take a guess.

MSM - Doom and Gloom. Praying for a recession. Praying for the economy to collapse. Many example all over the internet. Even with people dying the media just can't keep politics out of it.

And I remember when we were going to all die from the Ozone layer going away, and then the next Ice Age in the early 80s, and then MERS, then SARS, then Zika, then H1N1, and on and on and on.

one more for the road - then I'm outta here...

quoted directly from an article written by Monica Maggioni, a veteran journalist and the CEO of RaiCom, a division of Italian public television, published in the Washington Post today, titled “In Italy, we live in silence, die in silence — and wait."

"For many Italians, the normal warnings about this virus were simply not enough to change behavior. Denial comes too easily, perhaps. It was more convenient to blame some foreign germ-spreader, or pretend that the news was unreal. Then came a reality check: Last Sunday, Pope Francis gave a benediction not from his normal window at the Vatican but via video, in part to avoid the crowd on St. Peter’s Square but also to send a message. That was the first strong sign to snap out of it."

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"Now I find myself confined in a place where time is suspended. All the shops are closed, except for groceries and pharmacies. All the bars and restaurants are shuttered. Every tiny sign of life has disappeared. The streets are totally empty; it is forbidden even to take a walk unless you carry a document that explains to authorities why you have left your house. Now the idea that even funerals cannot be celebrated is a source of further anguish. These days, in Italy, you die in silence and you’ll be buried in silence."

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"It is impossible to describe what they (doctors) are going through. The lack of intensive-care beds forces them to make impossible decisions: who can be helped and who is too old, or too weak, to even try to save. This can really destroy your resistance as a human being"

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"I know, of course, that what is happening here could happen next in Rome, or a week later in France or in Germany. The United States might be a week or two behind that. It looks as if the same shifts in perception, the same shifts in political discourse, are taking place everywhere, delayed or accelerated only by a country’s ability to face the facts."

::: snip :::

"We have learned that this is not just another flu; it’s a terrible new virus that is challenging a whole nation, Europe itself and perhaps the entire planet. And there’s no miracle recipe except for a profound respect for the advice of scientists, the need of a sense of community and a health-care system able to detect the next moves of the virus."

related information: Coronavirus - Data from Italy and Implications for US
 

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and this is the same sort of situation - but on a much larger scale - that is bound to unfold as our world continues to experience dramatically increasing damages from climate change.
FYI read this thread, This is why Italy is in trouble,


The US is not Italy, not even close.
The healthcare systems are vastly different
There are no factories populated with Chinese immigrants

I know this scares a lot of people and should be taken seriously, but alarmism doesn't help anything. This might help you out. Listen To


This guy is an expert. You believe in science right? https://microbiology.columbia.edu/faculty-vincent-racaniello

There is far too much misinformation out there being thrown out for political gain. Listen to the expert. I am not trying to diminish the seriousness of this in any way, particularly to those over 60. But panic helps no one.

BTW, congratulations on linking a virus to Global Warming! I like that! Gold star for that. To bad though. It would have been better off without this health crisis. Once this is over, and it will be over, you can kiss goodbye the dreams of lithium chemistry cars. Read this all.

 

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BTW Phil, take care of yourself and any elderly that depend on you. Its no joke. I've spoken to retired people who managed others in virology. This is something. But its not the end of the world either.

This is not the time for the media or individuals to be attacking politicians. Its the time to come together as human beings and help each other. The US is mighty, powerful, and nothing like other countries.

Sorry for the seriousness, and lapse of satire. Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

BTW, apparently the Diamond Princess approach was criticized as being terrible. 3500 people trapped in one location using a shared ventilation system. Duh.
 

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one more for the road - then I'm outta here...

quoted directly from an article written by Monica Maggioni, a veteran journalist and the CEO of RaiCom, a division of Italian public television, published in the Washington Post today, titled “In Italy, we live in silence, die in silence — and wait."

"For many Italians, the normal warnings about this virus were simply not enough to change behavior. Denial comes too easily, perhaps. It was more convenient to blame some foreign germ-spreader, or pretend that the news was unreal. Then came a reality check: Last Sunday, Pope Francis gave a benediction not from his normal window at the Vatican but via video, in part to avoid the crowd on St. Peter’s Square but also to send a message. That was the first strong sign to snap out of it."

::: snip :::

"Now I find myself confined in a place where time is suspended. All the shops are closed, except for groceries and pharmacies. All the bars and restaurants are shuttered. Every tiny sign of life has disappeared. The streets are totally empty; it is forbidden even to take a walk unless you carry a document that explains to authorities why you have left your house. Now the idea that even funerals cannot be celebrated is a source of further anguish. These days, in Italy, you die in silence and you’ll be buried in silence."

::: snip :::

"It is impossible to describe what they (doctors) are going through. The lack of intensive-care beds forces them to make impossible decisions: who can be helped and who is too old, or too weak, to even try to save. This can really destroy your resistance as a human being"

::: snip :::

"I know, of course, that what is happening here could happen next in Rome, or a week later in France or in Germany. The United States might be a week or two behind that. It looks as if the same shifts in perception, the same shifts in political discourse, are taking place everywhere, delayed or accelerated only by a country’s ability to face the facts."

::: snip :::

"We have learned that this is not just another flu; it’s a terrible new virus that is challenging a whole nation, Europe itself and perhaps the entire planet. And there’s no miracle recipe except for a profound respect for the advice of scientists, the need of a sense of community and a health-care system able to detect the next moves of the virus."

related information: Coronavirus - Data from Italy and Implications for US
Lesson here, Italy and the US are very different, especially the industrial might, economically, and culturally. Flattening the curve. You cannot compare the two countries


age countries with older populations will need to take more aggressive protective measures
cultural High levels of intergenerational contact may also have put Italy more at risk

Alarmist to compare US to Italy, not remotely the same. Socialized medicine, not capitalism.
 

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I urge everyone to read the first link below and then, if you still have the stomach for it, any of the other links that you may find interesting. they are all informative.

the truth is out there. seek it.






:LOL: This is why I always believe the MSM. Sui-Lee is NYT.

 

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I urge everyone to read the first link below and then, if you still have the stomach for it, any of the other links that you may find interesting. they are all informative.

the truth is out there. seek it.






How much of this is the press wishing for the economy to collapse

read the thread Click and read all the tweets. study the R0. remember if it bleeds it leads. Media has become untrustworthy.



And unverified hysteria from the west coast. why would anyone believe unsourced unverified info?


 
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