[TerrySmith]

D. All of this 718 marketing makes me wish I had the funds to get an original 718 and go vintage racing.

 

[Caymeown]

Weight listed on Porsche.com is 2944 lbs for base, 2988 lbs for S, both with manual transmission. PDK weights aren't listed yet but on 981.1 PDK adds about 65 lbs. Looks like weight went up about 70 lbs or so for 718.

References:

Porsche The new 718 Boxster - Technical Specs - Porsche Cars North America
Porsche The new 718 Boxster S - Technical Specs - Porsche Cars North America

The fuel tank's size is now 14.3 gallons. Did the old Boxster have the same size fuel tank as the Cayman @ 16.9gallons? That's a 15.4% reduction in fuel capacity with a supposed 13% increase in fuel economy.

Say you were getting 25mpg combined with the old Boxster.

Old Boxster:

MPG: 25
Range: ~423

New Boxster:

MPG: 28.25
Range: ~404

 

[2015CS]

The fuel tank's size is now 14.3 gallons. Did the old Boxster have the same size fuel tank as the Cayman @ 16.9gallons? That's a 15.4% reduction in fuel capacity with a supposed 13% increase in fuel economy.

Say you were getting 25mpg combined with the old Boxster.

Old Boxster:

MPG: 25
Range: ~423

New Boxster:

MPG: 28.25
Range: ~404

View attachment 68010

Keep in mind, improvements in MPG as a function of switching to turbo 4-bangers is mostly on paper. R&T found one lousy mile per gallon improvement between an E90 and the F30. The reason? EPA testing is done so gently that the turbo is never spooled up during their mileage testing. As a result, they are really comparing a 6 cylinder to a 4 cylinder, end of story. In real life, however, if someone spends this kind of money on a car, it's hard to imagine that many won't be using the turbocharging they've paid so dearly for. And once you hit the accelerator hard enough to hear that high-pitched whine of the turbo, you're chewing through plenty of gasoline.

 

[blinsc]

The fuel tank's size is now 14.3 gallons. Did the old Boxster have the same size fuel tank as the Cayman @ 16.9gallons? That's a 15.4% reduction in fuel capacity with a supposed 13% increase in fuel economy.

Say you were getting 25mpg combined with the old Boxster.

Old Boxster:

MPG: 25
Range: ~423

New Boxster:

MPG: 28.25
Range: ~404

View attachment 68010

981.1 Boxster has 16.9 gallon tank just like Cayman. Shenanigans to keep curb weight down on 718? *Shrug*

Reference: http://press.porsche.com/vehicles/2013/2013_Boxster_Specs_Final.pdf

 

[Caymeown]

... and you know the 13% fuel economy will be hard to realize once the turbo goes to 11.

 

[ralarcon]

Keep in mind, improvements in MPG as a function of switching to turbo 4-bangers is mostly on paper. R&T found one lousy mile per gallon improvement between an E90 and the F30. The reason? EPA testing is done so gently that the turbo is never spooled up during their mileage testing. As a result, they are really comparing a 6 cylinder to a 4 cylinder, end of story. In real life, however, if someone spends this kind of money on a car, it's hard to imagine that many won't be using the turbocharging they've paid so dearly for. And once you hit the accelerator hard enough to hear that high-pitched whine of the turbo, you're chewing through plenty of gasoline.

Correct ! No sports car enthusiast is going to drive this car like a Corolla. The minute the turbo spools up , keep the revs up, to avoid "turbo lag", your milleage is going to be worse or much worse than the NA car. Exactly , right that the regulatory testing has little resemblance to reality. And then remember the VW, mileage scandal. I would like to know what real people are getting in real world driving, but that is going to have to wait. The real reason for switching to the 4 , was marketing, that has been discussed on other threads. The improvement in mileage in the fictional world of regulations is just frosting on the more expensive cake.

Cheers

 

[CoolHobieCat]

"A" all the way for me.

Got the NA 6. Got the 6 MT. Got the PSE. Got the SC. My heart is full.

 

[ANGST]

Keep in mind, improvements in MPG as a function of switching to turbo 4-bangers is mostly on paper. R&T found one lousy mile per gallon improvement between an E90 and the F30. The reason? EPA testing is done so gently that the turbo is never spooled up during their mileage testing. As a result, they are really comparing a 6 cylinder to a 4 cylinder, end of story. In real life, however, if someone spends this kind of money on a car, it's hard to imagine that many won't be using the turbocharging they've paid so dearly for. And once you hit the accelerator hard enough to hear that high-pitched whine of the turbo, you're chewing through plenty of gasoline.

I still think this remains to be seen , my turbo 4 banger gets right at published MPG (and it's certainly spooling the turbo) , my wifes twin turbo v6 get at the lower end to less of published .



on the 718 , I am in the "need to hear it" crowd .

 

[Goofnik]

My only real bit of interest is seeing if the new PCM head units will be able to be put in the 981.1s. Typically, refresh head units can go in the pre-refresh cars, so we'll see what's required to make it all work. The new software stack is flat out useful, and SSD storage means everything will feel far snappier.

A project for me to consider when head units are more readily available from dismantlers in a few years' time, since they usually only end up costing 30-40% of what it would be for a new one at the parts department. It'll all obsolesce eventually, so no point in paying full price when eventually it'll likely get yoinked out and replaced with the dual shelves.

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Oh, and perhaps LWBS will be an option? We'll see, I suppose. If so, should make getting them to put in my Spyder a lot easier (and they should merely be "very expensive" instead of "arm-and-leg expensive"). Not holding my breath on that, but if Porsche is willing to sell them I'm more than happy to buy them.

 

[Wolfpack987]

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I highly doubt I would have purchased my 987 if it had a turbo 4 cylinder engine. If I wanted a turbo 4 cylinder engine I would have just slapped a turbo onto my S2000 and had something far superior to what Porsche is peddling with the 718's powerplant.

I wanted the smoothness, refinement, and engine growl/wail of the flat 6.

I like to own performance cars with unique, and special engines. Nothing remotely special about a 4 cylinder turbo.

Before you know it there will be a thread about which engine sounds better: Porsche's new flat 4 turbo, Subaru's WRX STI flat 4 turbo, or Ford's Focus RS turbo inline 4. No thanks.

 

[981Daily]

Love the steering wheel and the lights - hopefully one or both can be swapped.

Can't see myself getting into one instead of the F6 I have now though - I ended up in the 981 because I had gotten bored with my FI BMWs.

I am sure it will be a good car though...

dmboone..Maybe it's because you and I have twins for cars but my take away was exactly the same as yours. Love the lights and steering wheel. I would swap the lights if possible. I suspect they will be different but we will see. The cost to change the wheel for the benefit of the dial would probably not be worth IMO...I already have the SDSW so picking up the dial only with a swap would be rich.

 

[981Daily]

Correct ! No sports car enthusiast is going to drive this car like a Corolla. The minute the turbo spools up , keep the revs up, to avoid "turbo lag", your milleage is going to be worse or much worse than the NA car. Exactly , right that the regulatory testing has little resemblance to reality. And then remember the VW, mileage scandal. I would like to know what real people are getting in real world driving, but that is going to have to wait. The real reason for switching to the 4 , was marketing, that has been discussed on other threads. The improvement in mileage in the fictional world of regulations is just frosting on the more expensive cake.

Cheers

Ralarcon, I use an app on my iPhone called Fuelly..Pretty cool as you can search by make and model and see what other Fuelly users are getting real world. In my CS daily driver I am averaging 22.2 MPG with roughly 70% hwy and 30% city driving. I do not drive it like I like I stole it on a daily basis so what you are saying is dead on! Combined MPG as stated for a 981 CS is 24 MPG and I am off by 1.8 MPG with more hwy driving. The 718 when spooled will likely get 13% less not more fuel economy than our NA 6 cars.

 

[ralarcon]

Ralarcon, I use an app on my iPhone called Fuelly..Pretty cool as you can search by make and model and see what other Fuelly users are getting real world. In my CS daily driver I am averaging 22.2 MPG with roughly 70% hwy and 30% city driving. I do not drive it like I like I stole it on a daily basis so what you are saying is dead on! Combined MPG as stated for a 981 CS is 24 MPG and I am off by 1.8 MPG with more hwy driving. The 718 when spooled will likely get 13% less not more fuel economy than our NA 6 cars.

Yes , thanks. It all depends of how you drive it and your driving habits. Obviously if you do "spirited" driving regularly, the turbo will suck up a lot of gas, that is just how it works. Or like I said, if you drive it like a Corolla, well then you will get better mileage. Sports Cars are "usually" driven differently than sedans or Van's. However the driver will influence the mileage greatly. By the way, I get between 19 and 20 MPG , in my CS.


Cheers

 

[Jerry V]

Keep in mind, improvements in MPG as a function of switching to turbo 4-bangers is mostly on paper. R&T found one lousy mile per gallon improvement between an E90 and the F30. The reason? EPA testing is done so gently that the turbo is never spooled up during their mileage testing. As a result, they are really comparing a 6 cylinder to a 4 cylinder, end of story. In real life, however, if someone spends this kind of money on a car, it's hard to imagine that many won't be using the turbocharging they've paid so dearly for. And once you hit the accelerator hard enough to hear that high-pitched whine of the turbo, you're chewing through plenty of gasoline.

I know from experience with my previous turbo Miata that boost is addictive. Once you experience it, you just want to use it all the time. It feels like you are riding a wave of torque.

 

[dmboone25]

dmboone..Maybe it's because you and I have twins for cars but my take away was exactly the same as yours. Love the lights and steering wheel. I would swap the lights if possible. I suspect they will be different but we will see. The cost to change the wheel for the benefit of the dial would probably not be worth IMO...I already have the SDSW so picking up the dial only with a swap would be rich.

I really like the idea of having the multi-function capabilities AND paddles. It is a little weird to me that the 981.1 made you pick one or the other.

The 4 dot headlights are so nice...my boss just got a Panamera GTS and I love seeing him cruise into the parking lot. It just makes the front end look so aggressive. Plus I am sure the LEDs are a nice upgrade over the Xenons. Here's to hoping that we can do some swaps!

 

[baege]

Not in the least bit excited about the 718.
I dislike turbos and 4's...2 wrongs don't make a right
my car switchitis disease has me considering the m2 or gt350 as a replacement for the 981...

 

[981Daily]

I really like the idea of having the multi-function capabilities AND paddles. It is a little weird to me that the 981.1 made you pick one or the other.

The 4 dot headlights are so nice...my boss just got a Panamera GTS and I love seeing him cruise into the parking lot. It just makes the front end look so aggressive. Plus I am sure the LEDs are a nice upgrade over the Xenons. Here's to hoping that we can do some swaps!

Upon further review of the photos I see what you mean on the steering wheel! I thought it was just the addition of the "sport button" but I now see it is multifunction. I agree it was silly that you got multifunction on the standard steering wheel only but nada on the Sport Design wheel. Not sure about you but I have become SUPER proficient with the MFC stalk. It is amazing what you can do with it.

Fingers crossed here as well on the new lights! I might be tempted to change out the front and rears I like them so much. At least we have that sonorous NA6 soundtrack the new guys will not be able to mimic! :hilarious:

 

[F.X.]

"A"

I'm still having way too much fun with my 981.

 

[gcurnew]

Love the look of the rear trim strip and lower valance...it will rock in grey/black body colors.
The S at 350hp/310 lb/ft is more than adequate (and compares favorably to the 3.8 NA 6 in my 911 GTS).
In the videos I've seen, I like the sound...kinda gruff and raw. No, not the same as a flat-6, but don't care...already have a couple of those, and someting new is intriquing.
Inside, the new steering wheel looks to be a BIG improvement over both the old Sport Design and MF wheels...best of both worlds, in my view.

I'd be happy to have a 718 Boxster S...wouldn't get rid of my 987.2 Cayman to get one, but I wouldn't be too sad to see one replace my 997.2 GTS.

 

[2015CS]

. . . The 718 when spooled will likely get 13% less not more fuel economy than our NA 6 cars.

Perhaps more likely (as was the case with R&T's testing of BMW's), the better mileage that does occur whenever the turbo is not activated will slightly overcome the excessive use of gas when the turbo is on, but not enough to save you bubble gum money, particularly at today's gas prices.