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Attention 981 owners: do your engine compartment purge fans work?

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#1 ·
Hello fellow 981 owners!

I have a 2013 Boxster S and have noticed for the past couple of years that I no longer hear my engine compartment purge fans running when the car is parked after any drive where the engine comes to full operating temperature. What about your car? Do you hear them?

To be clear, these are the two small fans nestled inside the side intake vents that bring in fresh air to the engine compartment. Since our engines are basically in an upside-down bathtub as far as natural ventilation, they can use the fresh, cooler air to keep the hoses and plastics on the engine from prematurely baking.

Thinking the fans were blown / worn out, I bought one new one to test. Once I wrangled out the old fans (replaced one and just tested the other), I tested their operation against the new fan, and they all powered up and spun the same when connected to a battery directly. I have no CEL, my local Porsche independent mechanic was able to manually trigger the fan operation with the PIWIS, and he also found no stored error codes. My battery is fairly new (auto stop-start function still works), so I have ruled out an old battery being the cause. There are no obstructions to the fan blades turning, either.

The purge fan’s operating conditions are explained on page 48 in the “Service Information - 2013 Technik Introduction - Boxster/Boxster S (981)” (download it from my dropbox here: 981 BOXSTER SIT.pdf).

For brevity’s sake, I won’t copy paste all the info from page 48 here, though in a nutshell the fans have a low and a high-speed operation. When ambient air temp is above 50 degrees F (or 10 degrees C), at least the low-speed function is supposed to be “on” when intake air temps are 77 F (or 25 C) or higher while the engine is running. When the engine compartment temp exceeds 160 F (71 C) or when coolant temp exceeds 226 F (108 C), the fans are supposed to operate at the high-speed setting, which from what I recall in the past, was clearly audible.

When the engine is turned off, the fans are supposed to run up to 25 minutes based on engine compartment temperatures. The low end of the range where the fans turn on is only 147 F (64 C), which is very easy to reach of course. The fans are clearly not running on my car. I tested this the other day by leaving it in ‘Normal’ mode and making sure the water and oil temps were above 200F (as read from my Cobb AccessSport reading from the OBD-II port), giving it a few redline runs in 1st gear, and then turning off the ignition without any ‘cool down’ driving. No engine purge fan operation at all.

I’d appreciate feedback from the group here to see what your fans are doing. I wonder if Porsche changed the operating parameters in a later ECU update so the fans don’t come on unless things get really hot, though I see in other threads 981 owners are hearing their fans, especially when the car is parked when hot. I’m baffled by this one…

Thanks in advance for the help.

Josh
 
#4 ·
My 981 was the same, and I live in a warm climate area. They didnt come on after shutting my car down in the garage even after 4 hour aggressive canyon carving trip in 90° Summer heat. Like Platinum, I only recall hearing them come on after parking maybe 2-3 times during my 10 years of ownership, and even then only for a few seconds at a time
 
#5 ·
Mine used to, but haven't in some time now. I've been trying to troubleshoot them. Both fans run on low and high speed when activated with a scan tool, and the engine compartment temp sensor is giving plausible readings. I drove it yesterday while monitoring the engine bay temp, and it was less than 130 when I turned the car off, so perhaps it only happens in warmer weather.
 
#9 ·
FWIW, i have a 982 in the Atlanta heat. I get home and pull into unconditioned garage w 194f engine and 238f oil temps. The purge fans run about 20 mins in garage. I then checked temps and they were 194f engine and 206f oil. The heat is still emanating from rear tire wells but fans no longer running. 3 1/2 hrs after turning off engine at 10:30 pm and w garage doors still open the temps are 155f engine and 142f oil. I question what the purpose of the fans really are since the temps dont really drop by the time the fans turn off. Engine is still hot and obviously cooks for a while as it very slowly cools down. Also, The temps in morning after 12 hrs are typically 100f for engine and oil.
 
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#10 ·
The engine bay of a 981 is an upside down bathtub that traps heat in the "bottom of the tub" which is the intake area. The purge fans are there just to vent some of that hot air out as needed. They have nothing to do with reducing engine or oil temps. That is where the heat being vented out is radiating upward from, and has already occured at that point
 
#11 ·
I totally get the upside down bathtub and heat trap effect . The point about the temps and particularly the water temp is that the engine is essentially still just as hot as it was when it was turned off 20 mins prior and yet the fans turned off. Yes, the headers and exhaust have cooled some but the engine mass is still hot at 194f (yes, i realize the water temp is a bit of a mystery and is not accurate but it did not droo) and emanating heat which I can feel from the wheel wells. Although i have not measured temp of the bay, just from the feel of heat from wells it does not feel different over course of 20 mins. Maybe the fans are intended to run long enough for the super hot headers & exhaust to drop to a reasonable temp? I assume headers get up to 700-800f for normal driving? My 2-stroke kart runs at about a 1,000f/14,000rpm so i assume our cars run a bit cooler.
 
#12 ·
Again, those little purge fans in the intakes have zero to do with cooling headers or exhaust. Its not even possible from a basic physics standpoint. You are overthinking it. They simply kick on when the engine bay temps cross a specific threshold to help pull some of the hot air out of the tub.

And yes, as with ANY car, the engine oil and water temps will take much longer than 20 minutes to cool down once parked. Things heat soak for a long time because there is no longer any air moving through the radiators or cooling water being circulated. It takes a couple hours in some cases just for the engine to cool down to the point of being able to do basic services on it like an oil change, etc, so there isnt anything abnormal about your observations
 
#13 ·
Thanks for the reply but I am doing a horrible job of explaining. I have no concerns about how long the fans run or how long it takes to cool down or thinking that anything is abnormal. Nor was I implying that part of their function was to cool the exhaust. Been wrenching vehicles for 40+ years so I understand hot engines but am always trying to learn in all that I do. To simplify the question/comment - is the engine bay really much cooler say 10 mins after the little fans turn off versus the engine bay temp just after shutting off the engine? The engine/transmission is essentially a 500 pound relatively large and dense mass of metals within a bathtub/heat trap that per the water temp and oil temp have not appreciably cooled over the course of 30 minutes which is why it takes 12 hours just to cool the engine from approx 194F to 100F in my garage. The garage BTW is about 90-95F in the morning/after 12 hours. The reference to exhaust temps was simply recognizing that although the headers are significantly hotter (100's of degrees) than the engine, they are also substantially lighter and have less density than the engine. As a result they shed heat more quickly and cool down much faster than the engine. As a result the heat being shed by the headers are what is creating the majority of the heat within the bay after the engine is turned off. Therefore, I was leading to the possibility/question is that maybe the little fans stay on long enough so the heat being shed by the headers have reduced to the point that they are not contributing much more heat to the engine bay than the engine is contributing (ie, somewhat of an equilibrium state) and therefore that is the point the fans turn off. Hope this explanation makes more sense. Again, no concerns, just seeking to learn.
 
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#14 ·
Thanks for the specific details. That makes a lot more sense as to where you are coming from. Its an interesting theory, but I personally have no clue as to the logic the system is using. When mine would kick on, it would literally be for 2-3 seconds and that is it, as if it quickly spits out some the hot engine tub air and then nothing more after then.

As you stated, the source of the heat is still there creating more heat to radiate upward into the tub for hours, yet I never recall ever hearing my fans kick back on again when parked after the initial one quick purge?
 
#16 ·
I've had mine kick back on a few minutes after parking in the garage on hot days.
 
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#17 ·
I check mine every time I do an oil change just to make sure they are working because they infrequently come on at all.
I trigger them with the Icarsoft V.p0.3 The longest I have ever heard them run has been about 15 seconds after a hot run on a hot day. It takes a few hours for my engine to cool down. I wish I could set the tempature and duration of the fan just to keep the air flow going a little longer.