I Just recieved A Vin # Number today, The SA has been telling me it was a stuttgart build , but we found out today car is done and built in Osnabrueck.. Does any one have a 981 built there and happy with it 
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Osnabrueck Build should i be concerned
I Just recieved A Vin # Number today, The SA has been telling me it was a stuttgart build , but we found out today car is done and built in Osnabrueck.. Does any one have a 981 built there and happy with it
Porsche is hiring 1,000 new employees to build the new Porsche Macan. And building the Boxster/Cayman in Osnabrueck... compared to the last model that was built in Finland by a contract manufacturer.
I just think its getting harder to think of Porsche as the small company with one factory, where Porsche craftsmans have been trained over multiple generations to assemble magical sports cars by hand.
Thank the Japanese for modernizing the automotive industry... with "just in time inventory", precision robots, and modern manufacturing techniques that make it possible to put a world class car together in any plant with any properly trained staff.
Kind of kills the romance... but I'm sure your car will technically be identical to one assembled in Stuttgart. If you want to feel bad for anyone, feel bad for the next guy who buys an Audi (for the German craftsmanship) and finds out it was built in Mexico.
I just think its getting harder to think of Porsche as the small company with one factory, where Porsche craftsmans have been trained over multiple generations to assemble magical sports cars by hand.
Thank the Japanese for modernizing the automotive industry... with "just in time inventory", precision robots, and modern manufacturing techniques that make it possible to put a world class car together in any plant with any properly trained staff.
Kind of kills the romance... but I'm sure your car will technically be identical to one assembled in Stuttgart. If you want to feel bad for anyone, feel bad for the next guy who buys an Audi (for the German craftsmanship) and finds out it was built in Mexico.
My 2012 Volvo S60 R-Design is built by a Swedish car company owned by Geely in China. It uses a British engine, Japanese transmission, and is assembled in Ghent, Belgium. It's one of the best built, best performing, and most solid and trouble free cars I've ever owned.
And you're worried about what?
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And you're worried about what?
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This has been asked before and the original poster of the same question was hazed so much that he canceled his order, took a $10k loss and bought a true german sports car instead. He bought a VW R32 golf. See, this way he knew if his car was built in a VW factory he was getting the VW label on it. :hilarious:
SA Called today and offered my & thousand Deposit back,, What whould you guys do, Ordered this car JaN 4 2013,, Confused
Why is there any reason to do anything? Why is there a reason to worry in the first place?
There is absolutely nothing that indicates that an Osnabrück is better or worse than a Zuffenhausen build.
Nobody has any statistics proving anything in either direction.
Why is there a concern over Osnabrück builds at all? I don't get it.
There is absolutely nothing that indicates that an Osnabrück is better or worse than a Zuffenhausen build.
Nobody has any statistics proving anything in either direction.
Why is there a concern over Osnabrück builds at all? I don't get it.
There is absolutly no reason to worry about a Osnabrück Build.
Same build quality as in Stuttgart.
Same build quality as in Stuttgart.
I'm not sure why you are so worried about this. The parts will all come from the same suppliers, so you basically only have assembly errors to worry about. But so much of that is done by robots these days, those types of problems are really rare on new cars. Buy the car with confidence--its a Porsche, with Porsche parts and engineering and a warranty, just built in a different German city. Basically nothing you could learn from manufacturing a 911 in the 60s, 70s, 80s or 90s would help with building a Boxster today.
Just to clue you in, these cars are are built with ISO protocols, they're homogenous, all the parts come from different suppliers, what Porsche, Ferrari, Volvo, etc provide is design, some manual labor and raw materials for forming panels, assembling, quality control, assembled engine (from parts supplied by others), trannies come from suppliers (ZF, Getrag, Aisin, etc., brakes from Brembo, etc., shocks from Thyssenkrupp.)
My Cayman was built in Finland by Valmet, the engine was assembled by Porsche and sent to Valmet, the car was basically built using CAD files, the car after 17,000 miles has been flawless, the notion that Porsche uses old world techniques like hand forming, metal working, hand painting is wishful thinking, today's Porsches are better built than ever before, that goes for any modern car that's been around for a while, i.e. Vettes, Mustangs, Camaros, Ferrari, Lamborghini, from rust protection to efficiency and performance to safety.
I'm seriously dumbfounded by what you're expecting. Teething troubles usually rear their ugly heads in new models early on, and they're USUALLY caught by q.c. In the beginning. It doesn't matter where your car is built today, all these factories must meet specific quality protocols, specially in over-legislated Europe.
You're worrying/getting hysterical over nothing. A lemon can be built in any factory, nothing is 100% perfect, but you're micro obsessing over what might happen because a certain car was built in a certain geographic location. To be frank, it's not rational. You're the only one that make up your mind if you should keep car.
My Cayman was built in Finland by Valmet, the engine was assembled by Porsche and sent to Valmet, the car was basically built using CAD files, the car after 17,000 miles has been flawless, the notion that Porsche uses old world techniques like hand forming, metal working, hand painting is wishful thinking, today's Porsches are better built than ever before, that goes for any modern car that's been around for a while, i.e. Vettes, Mustangs, Camaros, Ferrari, Lamborghini, from rust protection to efficiency and performance to safety.
I'm seriously dumbfounded by what you're expecting. Teething troubles usually rear their ugly heads in new models early on, and they're USUALLY caught by q.c. In the beginning. It doesn't matter where your car is built today, all these factories must meet specific quality protocols, specially in over-legislated Europe.
You're worrying/getting hysterical over nothing. A lemon can be built in any factory, nothing is 100% perfect, but you're micro obsessing over what might happen because a certain car was built in a certain geographic location. To be frank, it's not rational. You're the only one that make up your mind if you should keep car.
Just to clue you in, these cars are are built with ISO protocols, they're homogenous, all the parts come from different suppliers, what Porsche, Ferrari, Volvo, etc provide is design, some manual labor and raw materials for forming panels, assembling, quality control, assembled engine (from parts supplied by others), trannies come from suppliers (ZF, Getrag, Aisin, etc., brakes from Brembo, etc., shocks from Thyssenkrupp.)
Since about 90% of a car's assembly is done robotically, maybe the robots at one location are superior to the others.
Since about 90% of a car's assembly is done robotically, maybe the robots at one location are superior to the others.
All these robots are controlled by CAD files, the robots themselves are calibrated and after X number of part(s) are assembled by robot, one is pulled out of line and checked for q.c. and spec compliance.
Crikey, I drive a Finnish Porsche, help..... can anyone say "not real, not made in Zuffenhausen!
By the way, no one is disparaging the OP, it's just confusing why a car built in a different geographic point would be considered lower quality. All these plants have standardized q.c. protocols. Also, lemons can and will come from ANY factory. Picture is of Valmet car assembly, actually a more modern and efficient plant.
By the way, no one is disparaging the OP, it's just confusing why a car built in a different geographic point would be considered lower quality. All these plants have standardized q.c. protocols. Also, lemons can and will come from ANY factory. Picture is of Valmet car assembly, actually a more modern and efficient plant.
This is from a Porsche news release back in September, 2012:
"Porsche President and CEO Müller explained: “Due to the way things are in Stuttgart there is no easy way to expand our main factory. Over the next few years, we will be fully utilizing our own production capacity predominantly with the 911 model. We therefore looked for a partner for producing the Boxster. The decisive factor in our choice was the great expertise of the workforce at Volkswagen Osnabrück. Our sports cars are in very good hands there. After all, we all have the same concept of quality. Osnabrück will become a part of our success story.”
This is not the first time that vehicles have been produced for Porsche in the Lower Saxony factory. For example, car bodies were made here for the 356 hardtop coupé in the 1960s and for the Porsche 968 in the nineties. From 1969 to 1975, over 115,000 Porsche 914s were also fully assembled in Osnabrück. And while following the start of full production the new Boxster was initially made solely in Stuttgart, Volkswagen Osnabrück GmbH has been supplying the rear and side parts of the car from the outset."
It doesn't look like Porsche has any concerns with the quality of work being done there. Any negative reaction would be more psychological then physical.
"Porsche President and CEO Müller explained: “Due to the way things are in Stuttgart there is no easy way to expand our main factory. Over the next few years, we will be fully utilizing our own production capacity predominantly with the 911 model. We therefore looked for a partner for producing the Boxster. The decisive factor in our choice was the great expertise of the workforce at Volkswagen Osnabrück. Our sports cars are in very good hands there. After all, we all have the same concept of quality. Osnabrück will become a part of our success story.”
This is not the first time that vehicles have been produced for Porsche in the Lower Saxony factory. For example, car bodies were made here for the 356 hardtop coupé in the 1960s and for the Porsche 968 in the nineties. From 1969 to 1975, over 115,000 Porsche 914s were also fully assembled in Osnabrück. And while following the start of full production the new Boxster was initially made solely in Stuttgart, Volkswagen Osnabrück GmbH has been supplying the rear and side parts of the car from the outset."
It doesn't look like Porsche has any concerns with the quality of work being done there. Any negative reaction would be more psychological then physical.
5:17 into the first video the narrator mentions that there are 105 robots. But at that point they are only talking about the Body Shell Assembly Building, so that does not include any in the Engine Assembly Building, the Vehicle Assembly Station, etc. Watching the entire show you see how each large building has a very specialized function and tools, and getting parts between buildings is also often handled by robots.
There's a ton of skilled labor involved for sure. But the steps done "by hand" are few. I was surprised at how the leather upholstery is so manually intensive.
Cool video - helps me visualize what my unborn Cayman will be going through soon!
There's a ton of skilled labor involved for sure. But the steps done "by hand" are few. I was surprised at how the leather upholstery is so manually intensive.
Cool video - helps me visualize what my unborn Cayman will be going through soon!
You are correct that Porsches are not "hand built" in the sense of the term that implies high quality "hand made" of old.
You are not correct to say that car Assembly is automated because it is not, it is manual, like you say, just like every other automobile manufacturer. Vehicle Assembly is a specific term and does not apply to the entire process of making a car from scratch.
You are also not correct to say that the workers are equally skilled or to assume that the quality of car coming out of one facility is the same as out of another. Quality depends very much on the assembly facility and the people at it. That is not to say that one Porsche facility is bad and another is good, but a blanket statement saying that its all the same is not correct.
That is the point I was trying to make.
The reason I was trying to make the point is because what we are talking about is what I do for a living and is something I care about. I am a Production Engineer for Toyota Motor Engineering & Manufacturing North America and I work with preparing Toyota's North American weld shops for the production of new model Toyota and Lexus vehicles.
You are not correct to say that car Assembly is automated because it is not, it is manual, like you say, just like every other automobile manufacturer. Vehicle Assembly is a specific term and does not apply to the entire process of making a car from scratch.
You are also not correct to say that the workers are equally skilled or to assume that the quality of car coming out of one facility is the same as out of another. Quality depends very much on the assembly facility and the people at it. That is not to say that one Porsche facility is bad and another is good, but a blanket statement saying that its all the same is not correct.
That is the point I was trying to make.
The reason I was trying to make the point is because what we are talking about is what I do for a living and is something I care about. I am a Production Engineer for Toyota Motor Engineering & Manufacturing North America and I work with preparing Toyota's North American weld shops for the production of new model Toyota and Lexus vehicles.
The reason I was trying to make the point is because what we are talking about is what I do for a living and is something I care about. I am a Production Engineer for Toyota Motor Engineering & Manufacturing North America and I work with preparing Toyota's North American weld shops for the production of new model Toyota and Lexus vehicles.
Don't the Toyotas assembled in the US have the same high quality standards as those assembled in Japan? From what I've read it's the assembly process that ensures quality.
Don't the Toyotas assembled in the US have the same high quality standards as those assembled in Japan? From what I've read it's the assembly process that ensures quality.
Semantics......the OP has nothing to worry about.
Cars - ISO in action - ISO
All the manufacturers follow ISO
ISO standards and cars
ISO standards for the automotive industry cover all aspects: safety, ergonomics, performance, test methods, the environment, and the roll-out of innovative technologies. Clearly, with more than a billion estimated road vehicles in use worldwide, if the automotive sector uses state-of-the-art standards for aspects such as safety, impact on the environment, and requirements for supply chain partners, this can have an enormous impact on all three dimensions of sustainable development – social, environmental and economic.
Cars - ISO in action - ISO
All the manufacturers follow ISO
ISO standards and cars
ISO standards for the automotive industry cover all aspects: safety, ergonomics, performance, test methods, the environment, and the roll-out of innovative technologies. Clearly, with more than a billion estimated road vehicles in use worldwide, if the automotive sector uses state-of-the-art standards for aspects such as safety, impact on the environment, and requirements for supply chain partners, this can have an enormous impact on all three dimensions of sustainable development – social, environmental and economic.
Has anyone heard of ANY issues that have been unique to Osnabrueck production cars? I haven't been able to find anything at all.
I would be more concerned with a design issue rather than a Q.C. issue and since the engine in the 981 is evolutionary, same as a (2009) 9A1, with small refinements, it will prove bullet-proof. Again irrational fear.
From Valmet:
"May 02, 2011
Porsche’s Finnish success story: 227,890 Boxsters and Caymans
The final Porsche assembled in Finland has rolled off the production line in Valmet Automotive’s Uusikaupunki plant. This is a black Cayman R, destined to a British car enthusiast. Cayman R is the sports version, equipped with a 3,4 liter engine producing 330 bhp.
The success story of 14 years has produced a total of 227,890 Porsches by Valmet Automotive, comprising 168,477 Boxsters and 59,413 Caymans. And the story still goes on – the contract between Valmet Automotive and Porsche continues till the end of 2011, with Valmet Automotive delivering Cayman pre-treated bodies and Boxster sides to Porsche.
The cooperation was initiated in 1997, when the demand for Boxster exploded and Porsche needed quickly a reliable manufacturing partner that could meet the high quality demands. The first Boxster was ready on September 3, 1997 in Uusikaupunki – with a record-short preparation time and with top quality. In all, a grand total 109,213 first generation Boxsters were assembled in Finland in 1997–2004.
To mutual satisfaction, the Valmet Automotive-Porsche contract was renewed in 2001. Now Valmet Automotive became an engineering and manufacturing partner to second generation Boxsters and the new Porsche Cayman. The production of new Boxster was started in Uusikaupunki in 2004, and that of Cayman in 2005. Caymans were assembled exclusively by Valmet Automotive.
After Porsche, the Valmet Automotive assembly lines are filled with the electric vehicle extender range Fisker Karma.
The enclosed image shows the last Cayman assembled by Valmet Automotive and a group of car builders, Eija Ahonen, Miia Uusikartano, Hannu Lehtonen and Teijo"
"May 02, 2011
Porsche’s Finnish success story: 227,890 Boxsters and Caymans
The final Porsche assembled in Finland has rolled off the production line in Valmet Automotive’s Uusikaupunki plant. This is a black Cayman R, destined to a British car enthusiast. Cayman R is the sports version, equipped with a 3,4 liter engine producing 330 bhp.
The success story of 14 years has produced a total of 227,890 Porsches by Valmet Automotive, comprising 168,477 Boxsters and 59,413 Caymans. And the story still goes on – the contract between Valmet Automotive and Porsche continues till the end of 2011, with Valmet Automotive delivering Cayman pre-treated bodies and Boxster sides to Porsche.
The cooperation was initiated in 1997, when the demand for Boxster exploded and Porsche needed quickly a reliable manufacturing partner that could meet the high quality demands. The first Boxster was ready on September 3, 1997 in Uusikaupunki – with a record-short preparation time and with top quality. In all, a grand total 109,213 first generation Boxsters were assembled in Finland in 1997–2004.
To mutual satisfaction, the Valmet Automotive-Porsche contract was renewed in 2001. Now Valmet Automotive became an engineering and manufacturing partner to second generation Boxsters and the new Porsche Cayman. The production of new Boxster was started in Uusikaupunki in 2004, and that of Cayman in 2005. Caymans were assembled exclusively by Valmet Automotive.
After Porsche, the Valmet Automotive assembly lines are filled with the electric vehicle extender range Fisker Karma.
The enclosed image shows the last Cayman assembled by Valmet Automotive and a group of car builders, Eija Ahonen, Miia Uusikartano, Hannu Lehtonen and Teijo"
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