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Re: The Worst Review of any Porsche I've read

I test drove a 991.2 S Cab MT. And it was very underwhelming not terrible but meh, I thought there would be more torque based on the reviews. At least the engine note with the sport exhaust was actually pretty good. Still, I was so happy to get back into my 981 Spyder.

Honestly the Evo article sounded like it was written by a journalist who isn't on Porsche's payroll.

I test drove the new 911 in a few different configs last week. One of them was an S with sport exhaust.

I came away happier than ever with my car. Going in I was a little worried I'd leave with a whole lot of temptation to "upgrade" but while the power is certainly welcome, I think people vastly underestimate the impact that the noises a car makes have on the entertainment of driving them.

There's no getting around the fact that even with the sport exhaust, the cars are too quiet and not as dramatic.

 

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Yes you are correct, Porsche no longer needs the Boxster/Cayman platform. They can do just fine selling 911s and SUVs. Still for many of us who have owned Boxsters and Caymans and have been mid engine Porsche fans since the inception of the Boxster, it's sad to see the platform go this way.

As far as zero emissions and all these other mandates. This is not the peoples will or a general trend or anything else. Yeah there are segment of the population that will buy an electric car some because its trend,y and others because they feel they are doing their part to curb emissions. So what?

Ferrari has a waiting list, Porsche's sports cars are selling well as are many others. Hot rodded editions from Porsche: GT3, GT4, Ford: GT350R/R, GT, GM: Corvette, Camaro SS, not to mention many of the other uber cars are hard to get. Fisker went under, Bugatti is still building cars. Male and even some of the female millennials I know love my Porsche. Little kids on the streets eyes light up when hear the exhaust and see the car pass. Sure there are the errant college kids that have been brainwashed by their **** professors and will prefer a smart vehicle to go along with their couture bum clothes, 12 dollar craft beers and gluten free vegan pizzas, but thats the few not the many. Plenty more enjoy Budweiser, McDonalds and a big ol engine.

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Do they REALLY need an entry level sports car in todays world? E-Mission is coming. The future is NOT these gas guzzling, carbon spitting cars. That's yesterday. Read The Families at the Center of the Power Struggle at Volkswagen - SPIEGEL ONLINE The world has moved on and these guys are living in the past.

"Here's just one example of the kind of old thinking that will no longer fly. At the VW Group Night at the Geneva Motor Show at the beginning of June, all the company's units presented their cars in a former warehouse building. The music thumped, there was laser lighting and the managers of each unit drove their latest models onto the stage. Mathias Müller of Porsche arrived in a Cayman Gt4, which has 385 horsepower and can accelerate to a speed of 100 kilometers per hour (62 miles per hour) in four seconds; Rupert Stadler of Audi entered in an R3, which has 610 horsepower and can do the same in 3.2 seconds; Stephan Winkelmann of Laborghini, came in an Aventador Superveloce, which has 750 horsepower and can reach 100 kilometers per hour in 2.8 seconds. It was a classic example of boys with their toys -- who had the biggest, longest and strongest?


But it's no longer a world that younger people can identify with. Attitudes toward cars have changed. Many people no longer care about horsepower and speed. They care about zero-emissions automobiles ..."

Meet the future. E-Mission. Zero emissions. Out with the old. In with the new.

Maybe.



And what's sad is that after 10 years since the Cayman introduction, a lot of people refuse to believe that.

 

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That's very good Hassaan. At least a Noble Prize I would say lol.

To all the others, I apologize for bringing a political slant to my post, I typically think of politics as more of supporting a candidate or a party and being generally off topic. Since I believe it was mandates created by politicians that has at least to my knowledge compelled Porsche and others to start turbo charging their engines, I let my antagonism at this get carried away in the context of the turbo 4 topic. Frankly, I consider myself an independent and dislike politics and politicians across the board for the most part. I am glad this forum is free of politics and again my apologies to anyone offended.

What I wanted to say and should have said originally instead of going into a rant is that I hope we all continue to live in a world where we are free to choose and drive those automobiles that stir our passion. Whether they contain large NA petrol engines, small turbos or hybrid solutions. I imagine we all feel grateful for being able to enjoy such wonderful cars every day.

Cheers

Gentlemen,
In respect to the Forum terms and rules, this is a reminder that no political discussions here are allowed. Therefore, I had to edit the violating posts to prevent the situation from escalating.

How does it feel when a Middle Eastern brings peace to the forum across the ocean? Ken, I expect a Noble Prize

Let's leave politics aside, guys, and enjoy our toys instead.

 

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Afaic the 991.2 is a downgrade as well. Here there is minimal performance increase over the 991.1 to Make up for that small displacement turbo 6. Just because it's a 6 doesn't change it's turbo nature.

The only advantage I see of the turbo 6 over the turbo 4 is the sound. The turbo 6 sounded pretty good in the 991.2 S cab I drove. It still felt sluggish off boost and wasn't as engaging as the 3.8. The NA flat 3.8 6 also sounds much better.

It is what it is. Porsche Marketing achieved a clear demarcation, of the distinction between a 718, and a 911 by degrading the 718. That is a distinction admitted by their own development team. As for me , I cannot understand why anybody would want a degraded product, again, as admitted by their own development team.

Cheers

 

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You are saying that your GT4 displays the torque curve in mfd in the instrument cluster?

I was shocked by the article and agree with several posters that EVO has more cred and many other magazines/reviewers have something to lose if they write a bad review. Hard to believe GT4 was EVO car of the year in '15 (over 488, 675 LT, Aventador among others) and now this...

With respect to torque, my '16 GT4 has a torque curve display that can be selected in the right-hand display. Not sure if all '16 Porsche's have this or not. I have not digested that display yet, but will play with it some and see what I can glean from it. Have not passed the 2k mile break-in period so am limited on revs until then.