[Vandiemen]

Fixed it! Took the hard drive from my cayman, cloned it using just the sabrent double box
Sabrent USB 3.0 to SATA Dual Bay External Hard Drive Docking Station for 2.5 or 3.5in HDD, SSD with Hard Drive Duplicator/Cloner Function [10TB Support] (EC-DSK2) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07415KV63/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_H63M383NEGE1P9613N4H

put it back in the cayenne and it worked!!! It still says cayenne S at boot up so it seems the “identity” of the car is in the pcm not the hard drive.
the years are cayman 2014 and cayenne 2015.

 

[ELCID86]

Nice work. I’d identify as a Cayman if it were up to me, but I won’t judge your SUV. [emoji6]

 

[nhn]

Hello, new to forum. Does anyone has an extra copy of the Porsche 3.1 pcm ssd that they can send to me?

 

[deilenberger]

Hello, new to forum. Does anyone has an extra copy of the Porsche 3.1 pcm ssd that they can send to me?

Hi - welcome to the forum..

To make your question clearer - do I understand correctly that you're asking for a member here to make an SSD copy of their 3.1 PCM drive and send the copy to you?

 

[nhn]

Yes, I would like to fix my pcm but my hard drive is not salvageable. Not recognized to make a copy. Can anyone help me out?

 

[deilenberger]

Just from memory (admittedly not terribly reliable), I believe there were 2 different drive interfaces used on the 3.1 PCM. To do this you need the correct one.

I suspect you might get a response you can use if you figure out what interface drive your PCM has, and then provide whoever is making you a copy of theirs an SSD to make it to. I know some people who've had drives that couldn't be recovered have used a hardware drive copier to do a sector by sector clone of their drive, then they installed it and used the operating system installation disks to get it working - basically installing the new operating system over the one that isn't working.* I believe the map data you have is keyed to the VIN# of your vehicle, so installing map data from another person's drive isn't going to work.

* = I've done the same on a number of computers where the OS wasn't useable on the original drive, and have successfully gotten the computer working again with the user's data intact, so this is a valid way to do it.

 

[fredpayne1944]

Bump, tried clonezilla , had bad sectors reported, new hd did not fix the reboot.
does anyone have a saved iso or image file of their original source disk?

thanks in advance.

Will Veritas system recovery 21 software work to clone the drive using a dual HDD/SDD docking station? TIA

 

[deilenberger]

Will Veritas system recovery 21 software work to clone the drive using a dual HDD/SDD docking station? TIA

Unlikely. The Veritas system needs a computer in the link between the two drives. If you're using a hardware based drive clone - it copies EXACTLY what's on the source drive to the target drive. The idea being you can then install the new drive into the PCM and do a software update which hopefully will restore the operating system, while leaving your registration numbers intact so it will work with your car.

 

[fredpayne1944]

Unlikely. The Veritas system needs a computer in the link between the two drives. If you're using a hardware based drive clone - it copies EXACTLY what's on the source drive to the target drive. The idea being you can then install the new drive into the PCM and do a software update which hopefully will restore the operating system, while leaving your registration numbers intact so it will work with your car.

I will be using a computer running veritas system recovery 21 and Acronis True Image in a windows 10 computer using an HDD/SSD drive backup hardware for this application? I have successfully used this on a lot of things but never tried it on a 981 HDD. I also have several 500GB and 1 and 2 TB SSD drives laying around still in the box, I'm not really new to disk cloning just never done a Porsche I'm a retired CIO (Chief Information Officer). Does anyone know what type of HDD interface is used? Maybe sata, ide, scsi? I would assume ide, if so I could get an ide to M2 adapter and use the small M2 drive with zero moving parts to use as the Porsche HDD. I'm running PCM 3.1 Ver 4.73. You could use a 44 ide to M2 adapter https://www.amazon.com/NGFF-Converter.../dp/B07SY9V2R9 Cloning a drive is an easy process as long as your master drive is in good shape I Have several different versions of disk cloning software, all the latest versions, like Acronis True Image, used to just be known as True Image, The cloning software in Veritas is a much more sophisticated version of the old outdated Norton Ghost. What do you mean by a software update, if the clone makes an exact copy it should be plug and play. Both Veritas System Recovery and Acronis True Image have cloning abilities. TIA.

 

[deilenberger]

I'm a retired CIO (Chief Information Officer).

Ah... aren't we all? My title was VPIS - VP of Information Services, but I made it up. It was a small company and I did everything..

What do you mean by a software update, if the clone makes an exact copy it should be plug and play. Both Veritas System Recovery and Acronis True Image have cloning abilities. TIA.

What I meant by that was - we often have people come here AFTER their drive has crashed.. and the recovery involves moving what is left to a physically good drive (SSD is the usual choice), then re-writing the OS for the PCM to the drive, overwriting any copied bad sectors with good sectors from the reinstalled OS. That has brought a number of dead PCM's back to life.

As far as the type of drives - that changed during the life-cycle of the PCM3.1 units, but I don't recall the exact details..

 

[fredpayne1944]

Ah... aren't we all? My title was VPIS - VP of Information Services, but I made it up. It was a small company and I did everything..
What I meant by that was - we often have people come here AFTER their drive has crashed.. and the recovery involves moving what is left to a physically good drive (SSD is the usual choice), then re-writing the OS for the PCM to the drive, overwriting any copied bad sectors with good sectors from the reinstalled OS. That has brought a number of dead PCM's back to life.

As far as the type of drives - that changed during the life-cycle of the PCM3.1 units, but I don't recall the exact details..

Thank you for your reply, I'm going to buy a 128GB SSD 44pin drive and clone my drive currently in my car (it's working fine) an HDD backup would be nice and a faster drive would be nice in my Porsche. BTW, do you know if the interface is SATA or 44 pin? The Toshiba drive that's in it shows to be a SATA, TIA

 

[ELCID86]

Successful clone of HDD to SSD. Only oddity I found is that my jukebox music files are not present on the new drive [emoji848] [emoji2369].

Shawn in VA (USA)

 

[981cayman*s]

Successful clone of HDD to SSD. Only oddity I found is that my jukebox music files are not present on the new drive [emoji848] [emoji2369].

Shawn in VA (USA)

I used the same Wavlink stand alone docking to clone my HD to a SSD as I mentioned in post #69 above and everything worked except I also lost everything on the jukebox and had to reload it from a thumb drive. I have heard that some have had success and the jukebox remained intact when cloned.
Jim

 

[ELCID86]

I used the same Wavlink stand alone docking to clone my HD to a SSD as I mentioned in post #69 above and everything worked except I also lost everything on the jukebox and had to reload it from a thumb drive. I have heard that some have had success and the jukebox remained intact when cloned.
Jim

Thanks Jim. I missed that bit. Now to find my Fat32 usb stick and futz around with upload and transfer…


Shawn in VA (USA)

 

[ledbette]

I will be using a computer running veritas system recovery 21 and Acronis True Image in a windows 10 computer using an HDD/SSD drive backup hardware for this application? I have successfully used this on a lot of things but never tried it on a 981 HDD. I also have several 500GB and 1 and 2 TB SSD drives laying around still in the box, I'm not really new to disk cloning just never done a Porsche I'm a retired CIO (Chief Information Officer). Does anyone know what type of HDD interface is used? Maybe sata, ide, scsi? I would assume ide, if so I could get an ide to M2 adapter and use the small M2 drive with zero moving parts to use as the Porsche HDD. I'm running PCM 3.1 Ver 4.73. You could use a 44 ide to M2 adapter https://www.amazon.com/NGFF-Converter.../dp/B07SY9V2R9 Cloning a drive is an easy process as long as your master drive is in good shape I Have several different versions of disk cloning software, all the latest versions, like Acronis True Image, used to just be known as True Image, The cloning software in Veritas is a much more sophisticated version of the old outdated Norton Ghost. What do you mean by a software update, if the clone makes an exact copy it should be plug and play. Both Veritas System Recovery and Acronis True Image have cloning abilities. TIA.

I tried making a backup with True Image 2014 in sector mode, and the image restored successfully, but it wouldn't work. I ended up booting Clonezilla from a USB drive and cloned successfully using that. I believe all the systems running 4.X firmware are mSATA.

 

[ledbette]

Cloned mine and still getting the reboot. I tried the 4.76 update disk, but since I'm already on 4.76, it only restores the single partition.

Is the consensus to do a handover to clean up the database?

 

[fredpayne1944]

Does anybody have for sale an update disk that will also update the map on the GPS? TIA

 

[deilenberger]

Does anybody have for sale an update disk that will also update the map on the GPS? TIA

Fred - I believe the map updates are tied to the vehicle VIN# and are installed using a PIWIS, not from disk (that was PCM2 sort of stuff), meaning you can't use one from someone else's car. Plus with your prior work experience as a CIO (retired), I'm sure you realize that Planet-9 wants to avoid furthering /enabling intellectual property theft, and I'm sure Porsche has restrictions on the re-use of their proprietary map databases.

You might want to read: PCM 3.1 Map Update (958/Macan)

The actual map update price is actually reasonable. What probably won't be reasonable is the charge a dealer makes to install it. I'm certain they'll charge setup time for the PIWIS, then charge for the entire time the PIWIS is updating the map (even when the tech is off doing something else). I would imagine that you can call a dealer and get a price for it.

 

[981cayman*s]

Cloned mine and still getting the reboot. I tried the 4.76 update disk, but since I'm already on 4.76, it only restores the single partition.

Is the consensus to do a handover to clean up the database?

Ledbette,
I know your computer abilities far exceed mine but I had a fully functional PCM3.1 V4.76 with Bose, Navi and jukebox and preemptivly successfully cloned my HDD to a 860EVO SSD with a standalone Wavlink WL-ST334U USB 3.0 Dual Bay Docking Station (amazon $35). See post #69 above. I recall reading that there can be issues with bad sectors being an issue with Clonezilla and some of the other cloning programs and that the Wavlink would exactly copy a working HDD. I don't understand what all that means but it was cheap and easy to do and every thing worked including stored addresses, setting and maps but I did have to reload the jukebox. Could a standalone unit like Wavlink solve your issues?
Jim

 

[ledbette]

Ledbette,
I know your computer abilities far exceed mine but I had a fully functional PCM3.1 V4.76 with Bose, Navi and jukebox and preemptivly successfully cloned my HDD to a 860EVO SSD with a standalone Wavlink WL-ST334U USB 3.0 Dual Bay Docking Station (amazon $35). See post #69 above. I recall reading that there can be issues with bad sectors being an issue with Clonezilla and some of the other cloning programs and that the Wavlink would exactly copy a working HDD. I don't understand what all that means but it was cheap and easy to do and every thing worked including stored addresses, setting and maps but I did have to reload the jukebox. Could a standalone unit like Wavlink solve your issues?
Jim

I think it's more likely garbage-in, garbage-out. Behavior is identical to the original HDD, so I think the clone process worked to a tee.