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Where do we think 981 prices are going in the next year?

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#1 ·
I'm currently looking for a used 981 Boxster or Cayman. I've heard that the used car market, overall, is supposed to be softening. But I'm sure not seeing it from some of the prices being asked.

Case in point:

2016 Super Base Cayman - $60K

$60K for a 2016 Cayman which had an original MSRP of $57K?! No thanks.

Now, this one is pretty egregiously bad, but a lot of sellers still seem to be asking for quite a bit more than Kelly Blue Book thinks the cars are worth.

Do we think that prices will be better next year? Or are high prices for 981 cars here to stay?
 
#2 ·
I'd ignore KBB - it's mostly made for dealers to steal cars from people trading in.. NADA is used to jack up prices for dealers selling vehicles. I've had a dealer pull out both on me - "Here's what your car is worth" flashing the KBB listing, "And this is what our XYZ is worth" - flashing the NADA book.

There are several sources online that track actual sales. The price a car sold at is a much more valid indicator of the possible value of an identical vehicle.

The one I'd strongly suggest is The Search Engine for Classic and Exotic Cars for sale. - CLASSIC.COM - you can set up searches that will send you a daily email of current values for recently sold cars and cars that are for sale, and you can look at historical values of cars vs sale date and mileage. Lots of info there.

Another site - PCARMARKET LIVE | PCARMARKET - does a deep-dive report on car values with some predicted values for future sale dates.

Good luck!
 
owns 2009 Porsche Boxster Base, PDK
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I'd ignore KBB - it's mostly made for dealers to steal cars from people trading in.. NADA is used to jack up prices for dealers selling vehicles. I've had a dealer pull out both on me - "Here's what your car is worth" flashing the KBB listing, "And this is what our XYZ is worth" - flashing the NADA book.

There are several sources online that track actual sales. The price a car sold at is a much more valid indicator of the possible value of an identical vehicle.

The one I'd strongly suggest is you can set up searches that will send you a daily email of current values for recently sold cars and cars that are for sale, and you can look at historical values of cars vs sale date and mileage. Lots of info there.

Another site - - does a deep-dive report on car values with some predicted values for future sale dates.

Good luck!

NADA no longer exists....it is now. JD powers cars. You'll have to search since i can't put links in since I am too new....

As an insurance agent I use these tools for interesting cars.: Hagerty. and look for valuation....

Soon my company and Hagerty will announce a new partnership and offer antique and classic coverage through a subsidiary company. Can't wait.

We always did a great job with Antique and Classic and had huge respect for Hagerty and now we will be teamed up with them!!!! (It's the ....Good Neighbor .....company.....)

I am afraid 981 prices will rise!!!! Afraid because I don't own one YET!!!


Ric
 
#5 · (Edited)
For Boxsters (986, 987, 987.2, 981, 718 etc..)

Yea!
 
owns 2009 Porsche Boxster Base, PDK
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I've watched 987/981 car prices for years now.

BaT has a good graph of prices; I think that's an accurate representation of fair pricing. People who buy/sell on BaT or on similar sites are usually dedicated car people. Don't forget to factor in inflation (~10+%?) over the past few years.

I agree with @deilenberger -- KBB and NADA pricing isn't accurate for when it comes to collectible cars such as Porsches. (That's why it's vital to have collectible car insurance like Hagerty.)

I believe that the days of super-high pricing that started during COVID are over, and car prices have generally drifted down slightly since then. Regardless, I believe that both 987/981 pricing won't drift down much further per depreciation. So if you're waiting for a bargain to show up, my guess is you'll be waiting a long time.

When it specifically comes to the 981, many may argue that it was the best and final NA6 version (to the point where many people prefer them to the 718), and they're not making any more of them. Accordingly, although these were mass-produced cars and aren't limited production runs, the 981 will only continue to climb in value in the long run.

My point here is that if prices go down in the next year, it won't be much more than in single-digit thousands. But those prices may drift upwards over time from a collector's standpoint. So if you see a 981 that's right for you now (especially with 6MT), I'd pay the premium and grab it. I believe the 981 was a special Boxster that will always command a value like their 911 counterparts.

Just my two cents here.
 
#7 · (Edited)
Contemplating values is a real rabbit hole. Our cars aren't bank accounts with wheels but those of us who aren't multi-millionaires tend to have our minds drift from time to time to the "what's this baby worth" side of our brain. It's insidious in a way because I won't take my unblemished car to parking lots. Sadly, that results in me cancelling a lot of times I would drive it. That's crazy but my dad suffered the same phenomenon. His car had zero door dings too and hey father & son were committed to keeping them that way. The 986 had none either and it was a roller when I sold it, something to keep in mind for me and everyone else. In some weird way trying to keep the car museum perfect is part of my ownership pleasure. That's why I love planet 9, helping anyone else do the same is satisfying to me, somehow makes me feel good if I can help someone, like I'm still working at that dealership with my dad. Having every receipt since new of the chronology of maintenance history so ingrained in me I have the same information for the Ford. I have to challenge myself to enjoy the car more because right now it's my car and what it's worth when it's beyond me to drive it should not be my obsession. Thankfully I have great trips planned and I've found that a cover on it at any hotel is helpful in limiting potential dings and unwanted attention. Drive them everyone, just like the good doctor would want, none of our life clocks run backwards, Benjamin Button is not a planet 9 member. PS Keep any Porsche nice, keep it maintained over a long interval and history favors the values climbing, even a nice 944 isn't cheap now.
 
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Ever notice that no matter how far away from the establishment door that we park our car, in a lot with a ton of empty spaces, someone will always park next to it!?!?!?! And it's normally like a banged up 1996 Ford Taurus (no shade to any 1996 Taurus owners on here)... LOL. But regardless I bought mine to be a daily driver and if someday it looks more resto than showroom, it will have lived its best life and fulfilled its purpose! But I do love that it's still pretty clean! One ding from the missus in our driveway. 🤦‍♂️
 
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#9 · (Edited)
Like the chemistry of what attracts us to our partners, most of us fall in love with a car we covet based on that intangible feeling we get when we sit in or drive it for the first time. Once that happens and the hook is in, all logic regarding price goes out the window. At that point the car is worth whatever the buyer is willing to pay (regardless of what the "book" says). That is why dealers prefer you to take a test drive before they negotiate a price.

If you are looking to buy a car and put it on a shelf to admire it, and then try to sell it for top dollar years later, then concern of where the market is going is probably a very valid thought. That concept reminds me of the joke where a guy dates a beautiful woman but won’t have sex with her so she will be more appealing to her next boyfriend.

If you are planning on driving it (as these cars were designed for), then just be sure you are buying at least a fairly priced documented and well serviced vehicle. “Fairly priced” is very time dependent based on what is available when you are shopping. Sometimes you may have to be patient. Even amid market volatility, cars like these can see seasonal spikes and drop especially in regions that have winter weather, when demand for a sports car will soften. Opportunity to save some money then as dealers may have to either sit on car until spring, or wholesale it to a dealer in a warmer climate.

I bought mine in January from a Florida dealer, and relative to other similarly equipped cars I had been tracking in the market, for the time of year it would have been just a bit high in price. It only had 7600 miles though and I negotiated getting a 40K service and shipping charges included in the negotiated price. Plus, it had a CPO warranty. Since all of that had real value to me, the car in my mind just became a bargain, so I bought it.

A Porsche, particularly the NA6 981 series which is last of its kind, should, IMO always be desirable (and hopefully see appreciation or at least reasonably stable prices in the next few years) because of its sound and feel. After that generation, your only choice is going to be a turbo or some future hybrid or electric (my brother-in-law who also owns a 981 likes to compare driving electrics to "driving a toaster". He does not care that it can go from zero to 60 in 2 seconds in total silence).

Figure out what kind of buyer you are, do some due diligence and just take the plunge. It is a beautiful car and so much fun to just look at or hit the road in. If it goes up in value, great, if not drive on and enjoy your purchase and don’t worry so much about what it may be worth when you sell it.

Just saw you made the plunge (after I posted this so making this edit). I have seen cars at this seller many times when I shopped. He had nothing I was interested in at the time, but all of his cars really looked beautiful and masterfully photographed too. Seems to be a really curated assortment. Let us know how the experience went and how the car was on delivery (as good as presented or not). When I look again, as I do get itches every couple of years, I would be curious how it all went down and would consider this seller then. Congratulations!
 
#10 ·
This is the smart play. Just buy the car you want.

Honestly, what we’re seeing now is the floor is raising. Though to be honest, it’s not going to spike. There’s way, way too many cars out there for that to happen.

Even stuff like my Spyder is only going to be a shallow upward slope at best, and they’ve honestly just held at 90-100%, which considering inflation means they’re just a better value compared to the 718 versions. Same with 981 GT4s of which there are nearly 2.5x as many in the US. Even the GT4 RS and Spyder RS won’t go anywhere quickly. They’ll hold at 90-100% of sale price for a while, then gently increase. Long term appreciation I wouldn’t expect until 2035-2040+, and if you just want to “make money” the stock market always wins eventually (there are sub-20 year plays, but they’re not for anything affordable).

The only material change you’re staring to see is 986s because they’re simply undervalued, as 987.1s. They’re not going to spike either, they’re just correcting.
 
#13 ·
considering the only way to get a Flat 6 NA Boxster or Cayman from the Dealer is a $100,000+ proposition, and I've heard they are all sold out for the last production run, the used market is the only place they can still be found. I think it will get even worse as electric cars take over. I've driven a Taycan and I wasn't impressed. I wouldn't wait, if it goes down 5-10K so what keep it long enough and it will go back up. Same thing happened for my 2007 Cayman S I bought in 2012, pretty much sold it after 60,000 miles for just a little under I paid inflation terms 8 years later.
 
#15 ·
Personally, my approach is to evaluate the cost of a vehicle relative to others (of similar spec) on the market at the same time. That determines whether it is a good buy. Worrying about whether you might get it cheaper in the future is a fairly futile exercise as it doesn't take into account the opportunity cost of not being able to enjoy it in the meantime. How much is that "worth"? If values go up, you're obviously in a good place. If values go down, then that's just part of the cost of having the use of something that brings you joy.
 
#20 ·
I agree with SJFoster. If any car is a good deal at any given time is really based on what else is out there at the time you are buying. Seasonality plays a part too. What is the HARDEST thing to do is compare all the cars that are on the market to figure out what might be the “best deal” at the time.

I am a car lover, but I also am a data analytics professional, so I have a hard time putting too much credence using hearsay and opinions to make decisions about anything in general. It is a curse, because I can tend to over analyze what for most people is an emotionally driven decision that they have already made, that they then try to find a way to rationalize the reason to go through with it. If you are one of those people, just skip to the last line in my comments. But if you want to really understand comparative values when looking at Porsche products, I hope these tips can help.

If you are in the market for a Porsche, you know Porsche cars have a base price for a particular model that then can be so exquisitely optioned as to add 10%, 20%, 30% and more to that base price. Because of these variables, comparing similar years, models and mileage cars to each other is almost impossible. That is before you even begin to take into consideration the service histories, Carfax and AutoCheck reports.

So how can you objectively get a better handle on competitive value between several variously optioned cars at a given moment in time? Book values are not a great resource, so use them with caution. Actual sales reports on Bring a Trailer can be more helpful to see what is selling and general pricing trends to determine if you even want to enter the market or not. If prices are going up or falling rapidly, you may want to wait or jump in depending on the direction they are going, but above all you have to make sure you are comparing apples to apples, especially when cars that are loaded with coveted options are in the mix. My suggestions on where to start:

There is a site called Vinanalytics.com that will allow you to get a summary build sheet for free that shows all the installed options on a car based on the VIN number. It also shows what the full retail price was when it was produced. You can also pay $9.99 for a detailed window sticker with base price and cost of all added options. Great to compare value added by options.

When shopping, it is not likely you will find two cars equipped exactly the same. If the model, miles and general condition are similar (you are not comparing pristine versus branded title cars) you just need to look at the original list price of each car from Vinanalytics versus the used asking price. Calculate how much less the selling price is from original price to get the depreciation percent for each car. Even if both cars were asking the same used car price, if one is showing 20% less than original price and the other is 30% less than original price, the second car would initially be a better raw value for the money, regardless of the options on each car (other things to still consider, but this gives you a baseline). What extra equipment was on each car does not matter for this down and dirty price comparison, as using this method we are just looking at the total savings from what each car sold for when new.

Add value to the car if:
  • It has a complete service history, clean title and no reported accidents reported in Carfax (or documented service bills to affirm oil changes and scheduled maintenance was performed). Hard to quantify a dollar value, but having documentation puts another plus check mark in the buying decision.
  • It is a Certified Pre-Owned from a Porsche dealer (probably worth ~$2K). Many people don’t like insurance and are willing to take a risk on a well-maintained car with a good PPI, but CPO can have significant value if you need it. I recommend you do a PPI even if it has CPO though.
  • Major scheduled maintenance was recently performed (such as 40K/80K mile service which can cost ~$2K, and can still be needed based on age if car is low mileage and over 4 years old).
  • Has new tires (~$1000 to $1500).
  • Has a new battery ($200 DIY-$700 Dealer).
  • Has new brakes/rotors (can be up to $1k DIY or $3k Dealer).
  • Known bugs have already been repaired (such as crazed headlights, warped doors, etc). $1200-$1900 minimum repair costs to correct these.
If all the objective check boxes here are met and you valued these items accordingly in you comparison, you can feel good that you at least made a buying decision that was not based on a gut feeling that you might regret after the bloom is off the rose.

Or, of course you can just fall in love and take your chances.
 
#16 ·
Great points above, keep in mind Porsche is very receptive to buyers tastes(unlike other German cars)When the 718's came out and alot of flat 6 loyalist aired their disapproval, they quickly created the GTS and other flat 6 options.This company can pivot(and do) rather quickly.(no shade on 718's, I wanted one, but found a 14S at a price I couldn't pass)
 
#18 ·
@Ric_in_RVA - Sounds neat. I did a websearch about Hagerty working with SF (in 2021...likely available 2023) as a product called SF+.

What's the difference between this new product and just going through Hagerty directly? I've been a happy Hagerty client for about 15 years or so. Is Hagerty just going to easily underwrite current SF clients? Would love any insights you're willing to share.
 
#22 ·
This type of car is a want not a need. So I would say if you are overly worried about cost then you really don’t want it that bad. Sure get a good price. But cars in general are not investments, despite some recent trends, which could change at anytime. Get it because you want it. A few thousand either way is nothing. These cars are worth it. Smiles per dollar are pretty high up there.
 
#28 ·
Started looking 8 months ago. I am going to North Carolina Sunday to pick up a 2014 Cayman S full leather, PDLS, PASM, PDK, PTV, SC, PPF, 2 owners, Bose, satnav, new headliner, 18 way sport seats, carbon fiber trim, 20" Carrera rims, paddles, black, recent oil, brake bleed, filters, belt, AND...2 keys!, great history.
I looked at MANY 981's either less equipment, more $, no history etc. I have to travel but will be doing Tail of the Dragon run right after delivery. Then 2-3 days back to AZ. $49K @49K miles. Fair. Condition is superb and well cared for. A keeper for me. My 1st and probably last Porsche. Pictures when I return.
 
#35 ·
One the earlier posts talked about cars not being equity investments. Making a decision on your next car based on that is what an investor does, not a car guy who wants the best car for him/her.
If want to make money take the dollars in put in a Synchrony saving account. It pays +4.6% while its 12 month CD is 5.35%.
Or a number of dividend stocks that pay 7-8%. And one (I won't tell you who it is) pays 18-20% dividends paid monthly.
Buy a car, not an investment.
 
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#36 ·
One the earlier posts talked about cars not being equity investments. Making a decision on your next car based on that is what an investor does, not a car guy who wants the best car for him/her.
If want to make money take the dollars in put in a Synchrony saving account. It pays +4.6% while its 12 month CD is 5.35%.
Or a number of dividend stocks that pay 7-8%. And one (I won't tell you who it is) pays 18-20% dividends paid monthly.
Buy a car, not an investment.
And why would you not share that with your car mates?
 
#39 ·
And why would you not share that with your car mates?

It was an inside tip and I'd be afraid of affecting it's performance if too many people jumped on it.
I'll add it's owns all the super firms, in order of ownership %, Apple, Microsoft, Alphabet, Amazon, Berkshire Hathaway, UnitedHealth, Exxon, Telsa, JPMorgan etc. Returns for 2023 YTD 25.52% and best of all it is non-taxable dividends.
I've only shared with family.