[Gary Rhine]

Re: The Worst Review of any Porsche I've read

So the Subaru sounds good also, huh?

 

[Gary Rhine]

Re: The Worst Review of any Porsche I've read

more refined sporty sound?

Personal preference is never a winning argument. You like the red tomatoes, I like the purple ones. They are both tomatoes.

 

[Gary Rhine]

Re: The Worst Review of any Porsche I've read

in six months time will have a much better idea of whether it's possible even for Porsche to sell $70k-$80k four-cylinder turbocharged cars in sufficient numbers for this venture to be regarded as a commercial success.

Does a 5 month waiting list give you any clues? And whether you like the sound or not is EXACTLY a matter of personal preference and is totally appropriate in its own right.

 

[Gary Rhine]

Re: The Worst Review of any Porsche I've read

Well it certainly gives me a clue that that sales are doing just fine.

 

[Gary Rhine]

Re: The Worst Review of any Porsche I've read

They need to get Steve Ballmer on board to work some of that channel-stuffing magic...

Yes we can play fun with numbers all day long to make any point we want. Here's another one -

"ATLANTA, Aug. 2, 2016 /PRNewswire/ -- After a strong run across the first six months of 2016, Porsche Cars North America, Inc. (PCNA), importer and distributor of Porsche 911, Boxster, and Cayman sports cars, Macan and Cayenne SUVs, and the Panamera four-door sports sedan line-up in the United States, announced July 2016 sales of 3,878 vehicles today. This represents an 18 percent decrease in vehicle deliveries compared to July 2015. Year-to-date, sales stand at 30,586 which equates to a year-over-year increase of 2.4 percent.

Sports car demand was strong across the board with Boxster and Cayman model lines each yielding a 36 percent sales increase over last year, with 732 combined sales."

 

[Gary Rhine]

Re: The Worst Review of any Porsche I've read

Yes the interpretation game continues. I will go with a Porsche press release saying "Sports car demand was strong across the board...".

 

[Gary Rhine]

Re: The Worst Review of any Porsche I've read

Sports car demand was strong across the board with Boxster and Cayman model lines each yielding a 36 percent sales increase over last year, with 732 combined sales."

In July. Yes seems clear to me. And willing to wager most are MY17.

 

[Gary Rhine]

Re: The Worst Review of any Porsche I've read

Fun with numbers, years, words, cycles, etc. Right. To me it adds up to a sense sales are going well if that's ok with everyone.

 

[Gary Rhine]

Re: The Worst Review of any Porsche I've read

Good review. "Around town" is where I would want the best sound.

 

[Gary Rhine]

Re: The Worst Review of any Porsche I've read

These are not exactly your turbos from 15 years ago.

 

[Gary Rhine]

Re: The Worst Review of any Porsche I've read

Beats me how 6-15 precludes interaction.

 

[Gary Rhine]

Re: The Worst Review of any Porsche I've read

I asked the dealer to change the auto engine off so it stayed in the last position and they said to meet the environment requirements Porsche made the engine off as the default and they could not change it. From what I have heard, the main reason for most car makers are going to turbo 4's was to meet the new environmental standards, not because they wanted the turbo 4. The environmentalists are now controlling the world.

Yes emission standards which makes sense to a lot of people. "The environmentalists are now controlling the world" is just silly.

 

[Gary Rhine]

Re: The Worst Review of any Porsche I've read

And I will take a 718 Boxster S with all the bells and whistles plus great sound.

 

[Gary Rhine]

Letting the S catch up to the 911 should tell you something has changed with how Porsche sees the 718 and I wouldn't call it knocked down.

And when "in my book" is your supporting evidence I would agree nothing is exactly being knocked down.

 

[Gary Rhine]

And no discounts from dealers.

I am not sure how that can just be throw out there as fact. I can show otherwise in fact >5%.

 

[Gary Rhine]

The issue here is the resounding success of 718 sales being 61.48% of 981 sales from 2015 for the same time period for NA.

And the volume and tone of posts on this by single posters suggest rooting against this car for this company for some odd reason.

 

[Gary Rhine]

leave him alone - its cute

but not becoming. :wrong::soapbox::argue:

 

[Gary Rhine]

I am not rooting against it, but I certainly don't feel obligated to root for it. I simply do not care. If it succeeds, fine. If it bombs, Porsche has nobody to blame but
itself.

Yeah kinda obvious.

Incorrect.

"tone of posts" is perception of the reader and correct by definition

I'm somewhat more bullish on their hypothetical future hybrids.

And combine that with " The Chinese government makes no secret that it prefers “new energy vehicles” with lower carbon emissions than conventional cars. That definition covers hybrids, plug-in hybrids, and battery electric vehicles" I think you're on to something.

http://gas2.org/2016/08/28/cadillac-ct6-phev-details-chinese-market

 

[Gary Rhine]

While we are at it let's tell the poster that if he likes his car and the luxury features that it offers then that is all that is important. Then in the same breath berate him for liking those features.

But when you end with its ok enjoy your car doesn't matter what they say it's all good!! :wall::crazy:

 

[Gary Rhine]

It's just a question of time when Porsches will offer the same gadgets that are currently found on cars like the E series MB. You don't have to worry about blind spots when driving the MB. Want to change lanes? No problem. Just push the directional changer and the car will change lanes for you. It will also steer for you as you travel down the highway. Within ten years there will be no need for a driver's input, other than to input the destination into the car's computer.

Let's hope so anyway. Love having options.