[tkm15]

So only 12 more 718's in January 2017 (with an unknown number of 981's sprinkled in) vs. in 2016 when the 4 year old 981 that was on its final production year.

I have no idea how that could be spun as being "positive".

 

[chows4us]

So only 12 more 718's in January 2017 (with an unknown number of 981's sprinkled in) vs. in 2016 when the 4 year old 981 that was on its final production year.

I have no idea how that could be spun as being "positive".

Already discussed a week ago. Read back in the thread.

 

[Baystater]

So only 12 more 718's in January 2017 (with an unknown number of 981's sprinkled in) vs. in 2016 when the 4 year old 981 that was on its final production year.

I have no idea how that could be spun as being "positive".

Well the 981 number for January 2015 was 502...so the final production year was only 71 units (14.14%) lower than a mid production year - not such a significant decrease to not being used for comparison with 718 January sales.

As was already said in this thread - January is not a good month to compare sales figures. A bad snowy winter would produce lower sales numbers than a warmer less snowy winter.

 

[RandR]

So only 12 more 718's in January 2017 (with an unknown number of 981's sprinkled in) vs. in 2016 when the 4 year old 981 that was on its final production year.

I have no idea how that could be spun as being "positive".

You have to look at the whole picture, the US is only one part of the puzzle

"There were 12,848 deliveries of the 718 Boxster, exceeding last year's result by 9 per cent....." This comment is directly from Porsche.

Unfortunately, this blows the naysayers away, those that predicted the 718 would fail and that this failure would be seen in markedly lower sales. This clearly hasn't happened.

The absolute truth is simple - Porsche know how to make turbocharged engines (e.g. the big T turbos) and Porsche know how to make a sports car handle - add the two together and you get a very, very good car.

 

[M@verik115]

You also have to realise that the US market is unique in their perception of engine size and number of cylinders as a mark of luxury prestige.
The 718 has done very well so far in Europe, Africa and the Asia-Pacific region.
Why? Well people there are more concerned about the entire package, instead of just the number of cylinders.
Now shall people get off their high horses and enjoy whichever Porsche they own and stop being opinionated phalluses?

 

[Noah Fect]

You have to look at the whole picture, the US is only one part of the puzzle
Unfortunately, this blows the naysayers away, those that predicted the 718 would fail and that this failure would be seen in markedly lower sales. This clearly hasn't happened.

I don't know anyone who said it wouldn't sell anywhere. 500,000,000 not-so-Red Chinese don't know what they're missing. Porsche has built a great car for the nouveau riche of the world.

 

[highscore]

You also have to realise that the US market is unique in their perception of engine size and number of cylinders as a mark of luxury prestige.
The 718 has done very well so far in Europe, Africa and the Asia-Pacific region.
Why? Well people there are more concerned about the entire package, instead of just the number of cylinders.
Now shall people get off their high horses and enjoy whichever Porsche they own and stop being opinionated phalluses?

This is a good point. There definitely seems to be a different car culture over in the US.

 

[ralarcon]

"Now shall people get off their high horses and enjoy whichever Porsche they own and stop being opinionated phalluses? "

Says, the opinionated phallus ? OP ? :hilarious:

Cheers

 

[photonscience]

Sounds like a great name for a rock group: "Opinionated Phallus" and their no. 1 hit : "Stop Dickin' Me Around"

 

[chows4us]

Now shall people get off their high horses and enjoy whichever Porsche they own and stop being opinionated phalluses?

"Now shall people get off their high horses and enjoy whichever Porsche they own and stop being opinionated phalluses? " Says, the opinionated phallus ? OP ?

Please behave. Arguing is fine. Opinions are fine. Ad hominem attacks, insults (flaming) is not permitted. Act like gentlemen or go elsewhere.

thank you

 

[engnr1]

You also have to realise that the US market is unique in their perception of engine size and number of cylinders as a mark of luxury prestige.
The 718 has done very well so far in Europe, Africa and the Asia-Pacific region.
Why? Well people there are more concerned about the entire package, instead of just the number of cylinders.
Now shall people get off their high horses and enjoy whichever Porsche they own and stop being opinionated phalluses?

Based on the most recent monthly sales, the 718 models seem to be doing fine in the US compared to the 981. Latest Panorama magazine showed a sizable increase year over year (and Dec 2015 was just a few months prior to the changeover to the 718 models), although all Porsche sports car sales pale compared to the Macan these days.

 

[chows4us]

Based on the most recent monthly sales, the 718 models seem to be doing fine in the US compared to the 981.

US sales numbers do not match your statement. Box/Cay in purple. Clearly early 981 sales buried early 718 sales and even last year 981 sales are better when everyone knew the production cycle was over.

It should be obvious there was a big demand for a 987 replacement and some boom years. There is no apparent big demand for the 981 replacement. This are just the numbers from good car bad car on a quarterly basis. Facts. Of course Macan sales bury everything. Sometimes its easier to see things graphically to understand what is really going on.

 

[chows4us]

In order to see the big picture going back to the 2006 Cayman S, I've updated the data. Note, 2n qtr 2007 data for the sports cars is missing on month but the Cayenne is correct.

It should be obvious that box/cay sales have never recovered from the 2008 recession although at the beginning of the 981, sales started to rise back to 987 levels. 718 sales don't even come close yet.

2017 Boxster S BB values are indicating a $4630 loss for tradein with 8000m from MSRP, not too bad. Options are worth nothing. A $90K optioned BS would be taking a bath. Not sure what this means yet. Just an observation.

 

[Anand]

For those who continue to believe Porsche is a Sports Car company that also makes SUVs, and not vice versa, see Here’s A 2017 Toyota RAV4 Review Because You’re All Buying Crossovers Instead of Cars

The last compact crossover reviewed on Jalopnik, the 2017 Honda CR-V, generated a massive 96,000 views. That’s 66,000 more than the review of that stunning Miami Blue 2017 Porsche 911 Carrera S shot in front of the Golden Gate Bridge. ...

Welcome to Jalopnik everyone, the car enthusiast website where a big purple crossover with a CVT transmission, shot in the middle of a desolate Canadian winter, spawns more interest than a road test of one of the most iconic sports cars of all time—the Porsche 911.

Think about that. This is how the mass public view life and is reality.

Far more economical than a Porsche sports car, that's why. Most folks don't make enough to drive fancy sports cars or buy SUVs with the P badge. (The latter is a head scratcher for me because there are so many more cheaper, more practical alternatives out there.) Folks just want reliable, low cost transportation and not 400 buck oil changes. Not pretend SUVs with PDKs and no towing or cargo capacity.

Besides the sound, the 718S costs a lot more than my 981 BS. If sales are indeed dropping, some of that has to be attributed to the big jump in price. 911 buyers may not be as price sensitive but I think Boxster/cayman buyers are.

 

[chows4us]

Most folks don't make enough to drive fancy sports cars or buy SUVs with the P badge. (The latter is a head scratcher for me because there are so many more cheaper, more practical alternatives out there.)

Why do people by Macans?

1. AWD (true AWD not slip and grip) vs Sports Sedan
2. Older folks don't want to get in and out of a low sports car
3. Logo - lots of converts from other brands ... get that big old badge from Stuttgart.

 

[Anand]

Why do people by Macans?

1. AWD (true AWD not slip and grip) vs Sports Sedan
2. Older folks don't want to get in and out of a low sports car
3. Logo - lots of converts from other brands ... get that big old badge from Stuttgart.

I have a slip and grip SUV. Volvo XC60 with a smooth 300hp turbo six and the Haldex awd system. (Swedes know winter). Has saved my bacon many a time for many years now (second XC60) although with snows. And I drive long distances under fairly severe conditions. I bought my XC for 48k fully loaded with adapative cruise, nav etc. Macan prices don't come close.
Logo. I give you that. Plenty of badge-conscious buyers. Do I want to pay 400 bucks for an oil change in my truck. NO!
I only love the P sports cars. Actually, the non-turbo cars. None affordable to me anymore.
Edit: The new ones like the 911R which are sold out anyway.
The older ones, sure why not. After you posted the video of the air filter change on the 991 which involved removing the rear bumper, the 997s where you can actually see the engine and with an oil disptick are much more appealing to me. And much cheaper and more visceral from what I have read.

 

[tkm15]

You have to look at the whole picture, the US is only one part of the puzzle

"There were 12,848 deliveries of the 718 Boxster, exceeding last year's result by 9 per cent....." This comment is directly from Porsche.

Unfortunately, this blows the naysayers away, those that predicted the 718 would fail and that this failure would be seen in markedly lower sales. This clearly hasn't happened.

The absolute truth is simple - Porsche know how to make turbocharged engines (e.g. the big T turbos) and Porsche know how to make a sports car handle - add the two together and you get a very, very good car.

Even worldwide, only 9% greater than a 981 on its last production year. If anything, this is rather proving the point of the naysayers. Look at the numbers when the 981 was first released and compare them to the 718.

No one is saying that Porsche doesn't know how to build a turbo motor or make a car that can handle. That's a bit straw man in your approach.

 

[tkm15]

Why do people by Macans?

1. AWD (true AWD not slip and grip) vs Sports Sedan
2. Older folks don't want to get in and out of a low sports car
3. Logo - lots of converts from other brands ... get that big old badge from Stuttgart.

I may be in the minority, but I think "performance" SUV's are fantastic vehicles. Especially if you live in parts of the country that has 4-seasons and not so nice road infrastructure. Granted, cg is a little higher than a car, but you get AWD, tons of room for family and stuff, performance, better ground clearance, etc. With the lack of AWD wagons in the US, this is the best segment going.

I spec'd out a Macan though and it was waaay more than I was willing to pay by the time I was done with my "must haves". And they don't even lease out well due to the resale hit you take (of course, no Porsche really does).

 

[chows4us]

I spec'd out a Macan though and it was waaay more than I was willing to pay by the time I was done with my "must haves". And they don't even lease out well due to the resale hit you take (of course, no Porsche really does).

People coming from other brands want to pretend Porsche is BMW and lease cheaply. Its not. They don't want you to lease it. They want you to buy one over and over and over again. Of course, some do lease 911s and don't care because its a write-off or the don't care about prices.

 

[chows4us]

I have a slip and grip SUV. Volvo XC60 with a smooth 300hp turbo six and the Haldex awd system.

Haldex as in Audis is reputed better than the slip & grip used by the cheaper Japanese, like Toyota, Honda, Nissan. Macan uses the same as the C4 full time AWD with a rear wheel bias to give it that "sports car" type handling vs the front wheel bias of other slip & grip.