Sigh. I don't read this for a day and find two pages. What new negative reviews could be out in two days? Ahh, none. Some of you are borderline close, or crossed the line (a subjective call), to flaming. I guess I need a reminder, especially those who joined in the last few years, about the prime directive.
This website exists because the 987 was not all that well received by 911 owners (If you weren’t around in 2005/2006 then your just not going to understand that), just like water cooled 911s were not so well received by air cooled owners. READ the rules. The prime directive is simple.
HELP each other. To that end, insults (ad hominem attacks) or flaming is not tolerated. Guys, chill out. It’s a car. Auto enthusiasts have passion for their vehicles of their choice. I get that. But, lets keep it friendly. It’s all opinions. No one’s opinion is any better than anyone elses. You don't get a gold star because you think your argument is better than the member your arguing with.
People buy cars for all kinds of reasons. Some for style, some like a color. Some want that last the few tenths of second in the quarter mile, some want a logo. Nobody’s reason is better than any one elses in respect to the bottom line – profit.
For the anti-718, IMO, get over it. They are not going to go back and build any more flat 6 for you. Time marches in one direction. Just like the air cooled 911 guys complained, complaining here gets you nothing but a headache.
For the pro-718 advocates, get used to the idea there will be haters. Ask the early water cooled 911 guys. Stop rationalizing your buying choices. You have nothing to prove. Here’s a fact from a Porsche study (probably 911s). Almost 75% bought are bought by elitists, fantasists, jet setters, and Proud Patrons. How many of those will see a timed event? .001%? Trying to rationalize a buying choice because of performance improvements over subjective attributes for buying is a hopeless and weak argument. Of course it’s faster. Who is going to buy a slower car? In this history of all cars, I can only think of one time succeeding models were slower and that was artificially imposed by the Oil Embargo and government regulation. It was not imposed by market forces. Crowing about "my car is faster than your car" in a succeeding production cycle/generation is a pointless argument. If it weren't, they would not sell any. For most, buying a car is an emotional decision, not a logical one. Few people sit down and truly care that one car is .2 second faster than another. From time to time I quote Ring numbers because they are a standard but in the end, they are meaningless to 99% of buyers. So thinking that performance arguments will "win you something" is a hopeless cause. Emotions always win in the end for the simple reason that car buying, for the majority of auto enthusiasts, is an emotional decision and not logical. OTH, for those that consider cars to be appliances, they do get out the spreadsheets and care about numbers.
Please refrain from flaming, insults, or a tone that implies it. Keep the thread focused on the what journalists wrote that is negative and your reactions to that is fine. I know sometimes it gets a bit OT talking about Edsels and Mustangs but the conversation is somewhat related to the discussion.
(opinion - You might want to worry more about the existential threat to these cars than squabbling about minor things. Consider the country that builds these cars. READ the PAG annual reports. What dominates it? Mission-E and carbon footprints. They even appointed someone in charge of worry about this stuff. Look at the billion dollar investment in EV. These turbos are an intermediary step. Read the report carefully. Its all there. These cars are going away as you know them.
What just happened at the G7? Did the EU representatives look real happy when President Trump did not endorse the Paris Accords? Look at the EU cities on the verge of banning ICE cars. Norway had a proposal. German sent a proposal to the EU parliament to ban diesals.
Germany's Stuttgart set to ban some diesel cars from city center | Reuters We, in America, live in a totally different world (not sure about Oz). Worrying about this, IMO, is worrying about the wrong this. As a potential new buyer, when the time comes, I'm not worried about turbos. I'm worried that there will be ANY ICE Porsche car to buy. The EU is not America and their regulations and concerns over carbon could have a bad ending for ICE - end opinion)
On a day that we in America are honoring those that died giving us the right to choose the vehicle of our choice in a free country, please try to adhere to the rule “be considerate toward your fellow users”. No one wins or losing anything here. No one’s reason for liking this car or not is better or worse than anyone elses. If you own a Porsche or are thinking about buying one, we are all in this together.
On this Memorial Day, give thanks you CAN argue about such stuff. Time always moves forwards and the technology will continue forwards, whether anyone likes it or not. Now go grill up some hamburger and have a good Memorial Day (or some shrimp on that barbie).
edit OT banter not directly relevant to these reviews, and comments about the reviews, or sales of the car, will be deleted and further admin action taking as appropriate. This has been warned multiple times.
