[iliveoncaffiene]

All you have to say is na na na na na my 718 is faster than your 981. And then stop replying to the thread. Its like a troll killing spear that cuts to the heart of the real issue. I switched from a 981 to a 718 (with a TT in the middle for good measure). Not a second thought or regret. I have only seen 1 other 718 in the Denver area since i got it and i like it that way. Not that there is a large difference in appearance to the casual observer.

I've seen 1 718 Cayman around me in Cleveland - and I bet in the winter I'll be the only one!

 

[RandR]

Can some one point me to the latest "worst review" please - I'm having trouble finding anything that is both recent and credible

The 718 GTS should be interesting.......it will be a genuine mini supercar

Did anyone start a "GT4 owners got screwed" thread when the 718S came out, if so a moderator will have to close it down or merge it with the new "GT4 owners got double screwed" thread when the 718GTS comes out or perhaps merge them all into the "GT4 owners got quadruple screwed" thread due to the 718S, the 718GTS, the GT4 glass gear box and the ten year old engine.

Marketing, just do it

Four cars that are marketing winners but nowhere near as good in real life:

In first place the Ford Focus RS - its a focus with an ecoboost engine and an AWD from that legendary performance car - the Land Rover Evoque

In second place BMW M2 - its still a two series, has so much plastic that the degassing phase requires a gas mask, at least it goes round corners and doesn't cook its brakes as quickly as every other BMW. The good news is you can get two fast laps before using your brake rotors to BBQ a steak.

In third place, the GT4 we'll pack a car out with the old **** from the 991 line, de tune it and tell the owners they can dial out the understeer with an adjustable sway bar. Its cool because its a NA manual - oops don't worry about the manual, the number 3 cog should last up to the end of warranty period and then it'll be their problem. We'll make it loud, that fools them, we can't make it fast because we wouldn't want the gear box to let go any earlier than our modelling suggests and the understeer might become so noticeable that even the internet journos will pick it up. How much mark up will we get if we add a GT badge??.

Fourth, Tesla take your pick - lipstick on a pig. A Mazda 6 with batteries and a flat screen TV. Tell the punters its a green machine and the chardonnay progressives will buy loads, well they will until the subsidies run out.

 

[Ratchet]

Tell you what: I have a hunch that if it were possible to buy a 718 GTS for $80k the fact that the huffer sounds like a 'Roo wouldn't matter at all.

 

[RandR]

Tell you what: I have a hunch that if it were possible to buy a 718 GTS for $80k the fact that the huffer sounds like a 'Roo wouldn't matter at all.

I suspect you're right, after all didn't a large number of Cayman owners want the car to get the engine (power and torque) the chassis deserves

The problem Porsche face is the C8 will be with us soon............

 

[Seinsmeld13]

I don't think the C8 is competition. I wouldn't consider one. It's like a Ford man switching to Chevrolet. It won't happen. I'd consider a 911 or a Panamera before I took that plunge.

 

[fast1]

I don't think the C8 is competition. I wouldn't consider one. It's like a Ford man switching to Chevrolet. It won't happen. I'd consider a 911 or a Panamera before I took that plunge.

I suspect that GM agrees with you. They have always looked at the Vette as competition for the 911, not Boxster or Cayman. Granted that the price points for a Vette, even the Z06, align with a moderately equipped 718, but the performance of a Vette has always been very competitive with a 911. Moreover, I along with many of my friends have owned both Vettes and 911s over the years. As a former track rat who never had access to unlimited amounts of money, I quickly found that it cost far less to track a Vette than a 911. So many of us enjoyed our 911 on the street and the Vette on the track.

My point is that for many car enthusiasts it has never been an either or regarding a Vette or 911. OTOH I will acknowledge that there are many 911 owners who wouldn't be caught dead in a Vette. Bottom line is that cars mean different things to different people.

 

[cobby]

Just wondering how that number compares to the dealers prior years 981 inventory. You have to be careful with large dealer web site inventories because they show customer custom ordered cars as part of their inventories.

This is a good point, and I stand corrected. The count for Cars with "get a quote" buttons beside them and 0 miles is 25 Boxsters and 14 Caymans.


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[onthecod]

Just don't let the negativity get you down. I owned 911s for decades and there was always some negativity when other models were released by Porsche. I test drive both the base and 718S models, and I really enjoyed their low end torque, handling, and beautiful interior and exteriors. The turbo lag was very minimal, and I probably wouldn't have noticed it if I weren't searching for it. I prefer the sound of my 981S to the 718, but that's just my subjective opinion. Bottom line is that the 718 has a lot to offer, and I along with the vast majority of other Porsche enthusiasts have a lot of admiration for either the base or S models. Any car that fast has to be admired by any car enthusiast.

As a former 911 C4 guy, I echo your sentiments especially when it comes to new models and engines. Remember the howling when the air cooled design was scrapped? I moved onto the first gen Cayman S eight years ago and never looked back. The criticism thrown at the 718 is completely overblown and I suspect that 90% is from people who have never even driven one and would never buy one anyway. I was shopping for a clean, low mileage '14 or '15 CS and the prices were in the mid to upper 50's. Since Porsche decided to upgrade the model line while lowering the price, the performance of the 718 base was now comparable to the S models I was considering. I test drove the 718 and was thoroughly impressed with it's performance as compared to my previous S. Low end power and overall performance was vastly superior and I was instantly sold. Given the well publicized criticism of the "sound" I paid particular attention to this. It was clearly different but that didn't make it bad. I ended up getting an 8% discount which got me into a well optioned 2018 for 8-10k more than a '14 or '15 would have cost. It was a no brainer for a car which was 3-4 model years newer and far superior inside and out. It should arrive by early fall and I can't wait.

 

[onthecod]

I've seen 1 718 Cayman around me in Cleveland - and I bet in the winter I'll be the only one!

I live in Eastern Massachusetts where there are at least 4 Porsche dealerships within 60-70 miles of my house. Consequently, there are lots of Porsches around but I have yet to see one 718 Cayman on the road. I suspect that mine will be one of the few. Given the dismal sales figures, its almost like owning a limited edition car.

 

[onthecod]

Chow - The point I'm making is that there aren't many new 718s on dealers' lots. Now that's not to suggest that they are selling well. I expect that the contrary is the case and that dealers aren't ordering them because they aren't selling well. I suspect that the 718 isn't selling well because most people are not interested in sports cars, and the ever dwindling number of sports car buyers are very demanding. Most of the owners of sports cars in my area are in the 50+ demographic. The 40 and under demographic seems to be attracted to utilitarian SUVs.

I believe that you're onto something with the shifting domestic demographic. I suspect that originally the Boxster then Cayman/Boxter line was designed as an entry level car which would appeal to the up and coming 30 something professionals. These customers would then move up to the 911 as their wages increased. However given the high levels of student debt and the lack of decent GDP growth for nearly a decade it is taking a toll. Many of these 30 somethings are still at home with mom and dad struggling to get out of debt while their wages have been stagnant. If you look at Porsche's overall sales numbers, they are struggling across the entire line up with the exception of the Cayenne and Macan. The latter of which is currently keeping their overall sales figures afloat.

 

[lajoiedp]

I live in Eastern Massachusetts where there are at least 4 Porsche dealerships within 60-70 miles of my house. Consequently, there are lots of Porsches around but I have yet to see one 718 Cayman on the road. I suspect that mine will be one of the few. Given the dismal sales figures, its almost like owning a limited edition car.

I work in Western MA and live in Northern CT and there is only 1 Porsche dealer in the general area. I have NEVER seen a Cayman on the road. Some Boxsters but never a Cayman - 718 or otherwise. I'm ordering mine at the end of the year so I can take delivery next Spring. I'll feel the same way about it being a unique, limited edition car. It's part of the allure of owning one, at least in these parts.

 

[chows4us]

718 sales comparison. Note the shift in peak month from July to August from the 987 and 981 cars. My guess is timing on releases

 

[lajoiedp]

718 sales comparison. Note the shift in peak month from July to August from the 987 and 981 cars. My guess is timing on releases

Doesn't this belong in the "Cayman Sales Continue Downward Slide" thread???

 

[chows4us]

Doesn't this belong in the "Cayman Sales Continue Downward Slide" thread???

No, these charts have existed here long before that thread existed. And this is not a Cayman chart but general chart, that is, 987, 981, 718. There is also a model chart coming at the end of the quarter.

 

[lajoiedp]

No, these charts have existed here long before that thread existed. And this is not a Cayman chart but general chart, that is, 987, 981, 718. There is also a model chart coming at the end of the quarter.

What does the chart have to do with "Worst 718 Review?"

 

[chows4us]

What does the chart have to do with "Worst 718 Review?"

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I am not going to reiterate pages of discussion. Go back and read. Everything is tied together.

 

[JPHB]

What does the chart have to do with "Worst 718 Review?"

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I am not going to reiterate pages of discussion. Go back and read. Everything is tied together.

Well now,
There is
Perfunctory
Pithy
Pedantic
Prickish

And then there is
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[photonscience]

718 sales comparison. Note the shift in peak month from July to August from the 987 and 981 cars. My guess is timing on releases

Actually, I'm less surprised about the July/August reversal of 987/981 sales then I am that no one commented on the significant August uptick for 718 sales. Based on a single data point, I the eternal 718 optimist, opine that perhaps enthusiasts are beginning to understand how the good the 718 is. Perhaps the poor early U.K. reviews and damnation of the car by the P9 and ******** "flat earth six society" has run its course. Then again, maybe the uptick is do to discounting in preparation of the 2018's. I prefer my optimistic first explanation.

 

[chows4us]

Actually, I'm less surprised about the July/August reversal of 987/981 sales then I am that no one commented on the significant August uptick for 718 sales.

I noted that an attributed it to staggered release dates of vehicles. However, another explanation could be that many cars sat at port waiting EPA certification this summer. Today, some 4 door Porsches are still waiting at port, hence, its very possible that the peak should have been in July, as in the 987 and 981 first years, in which cases the ever decreasing sales between generations would have mirrored perfectly.

As the 4 door cars are waiting on certification, one would expect monthly graphs of those cars sales to show the same shifted into September.

 

[fast1]

I'm less surprised about the July/August reversal of 987/981 sales then I am that no one commented on the significant August uptick for 718 sales. Based on a single data point, I the eternal 718 optimist, opine that perhaps enthusiasts are beginning to understand how the good the 718 is. Perhaps the poor early U.K. reviewsicon and damnation of the car by the P9 and ******** "flat earth six society" has run its course. Then again, maybe the uptick is do to discounting in preparation of the 2018's. I prefer my optimistic first explanation.

You could of course be correct, but my guess is that some of July orders fell into August. Thus July sales were very low and August much higher, but if you average the two, you get close to June sales.