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I drive with the AC on at full blast on a hot day with the top down in an effort to cool the hot ambient air. I am doing my part. Every little bit helps to combat warming.
Yes, I am not very mature even at my age.

 

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I drive with the AC on at full blast on a hot day with the top down in an effort to cool the hot ambient air. I am doing my part. Every little bit helps to combat warming.
Yes, I am not very mature even at my age.

But if you really cared, you'd leave your refrigerator door open, to help your home A/C keep the house cool!

 

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I'm glad you brought that up. Governments set regulations and laws. Governments, at least democratically elected ones, are the will of the people. Discussing laws and regulations is an integral and essential part of auto enthusiasm. Whether it be emissions laws that effect us all, DOT standards, scandals, or whatever. They are very real, exist, and law abiding people abide them. They also change the face of the automotive world, whether we like it or not.

You do not have to dance around fact. But you do not get to make remarks concerning the people who make the laws and their agendas vice your own life view. That is virtual flaming and will not be tolerated as the rules clearly indicate.[/QUOTE]

Do you realize that your statement is also political?

 

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Back to cars, what's the next GT4? A 718 with a 6? A 4?? Or is there nothing in the future?


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Back to cars, what's the next GT4? A 718 with a 6? A 4?? Or is there nothing in the future?


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I am looking at the past for my future Porsche purchases (potential). Check out this air-cooled 911.Used 1997 Porsche 911 Carrera

Looks nice and a beauty. I will be looking for a 991 GTS with with the 3.8 L and a manual over the coming years. Unless I am dead of course. Hopefully full of expensive scotch in my belly.

 

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For what it's worth, the reviews convinced me... to buy a C7 Z51 instead of waiting for the 718 Cayman.

 

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For what it's worth, the reviews convinced me... to buy a C7 Z51 instead of waiting for the 718 Cayman.

Nice! I think I would be ok with that choice too personally though I can't get over how shoddy the build quality is even on a Z06! Walked away and straight in to the arms of a Spyder!

 

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FWIW I think we will not have to endure turbo 4-cylinders for long. The combustion thing is probably going bust soon.

I don't quite understand why they do not already make a 981/718 equivalent to the Tesla Roadster. They could even sacrifice a trunk for more battery. People would have a blast with that one.

 

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I don't quite understand why they do not already make a 981/718 equivalent to the Tesla Roadster.

They did, sorta Porsche Publicly Debuts its Electric Boxster E, But It?s Not For Sale | Car and Driver Blog

 

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I don't want the cool engine to be reserved for GT4 and GT3. That way there's no convertible.

 

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The most beautiful things in life are temporary. I am happy to have been in a position to buy one of the most beautiful cars ever built, the sweet flat 6 is just gravy. I will tell awesome stories about it when I'm in a nursing home.

Electric cars are coming. They will be different, but excellent in their own way. They are simpler, and will eventually be cheaper and more environmentally friendly than internal combustion. I will embrace the change, I am excited for a new Tesla Roadster or Cayman. I'm so happy that the enthusiasts are not being completely abandoned as the technology changes.

 

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The most beautiful things in life are temporary. I am happy to have been in a position to buy one of the most beautiful cars ever built, the sweet flat 6 is just gravy. I will tell awesome stories about it when I'm in a nursing home.

Electric cars are coming. They will be different, but excellent in their own way. They are simpler, and will eventually be cheaper and more environmentally friendly than internal combustion. I will embrace the change, I am excited for a new Tesla Roadster or Cayman. I'm so happy that the enthusiasts are not being completely abandoned as the technology changes.

Yeah, the writing is on the wall with electric cars, but you could also just keep your car for the long haul. If I were to put $20K-$30K+ into my Cayman every 5-10 years, rather than trading in my Cayman and spending that extra money on a new Cayman every 5-10 years, I'd imagine my Cayman would be in pretty outstanding shape in 50 years.

 

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I think the 718 has persuaded me to keep my Spyder long term. Because I know whatever it is replaced with in several years can't be as good.

That being said, the world is not ending. If the 986 had been introduced to the motoring world with a 4-pot and a turbo and a hearty serving of power, it wouldn't have been met with this many pitchforks.

We are lamenting change because it is change. Because it's a departure from what we know and love.

This car will be fantastic. A new generation of automotive buyers will be attracted to it and thrilled by it.

The aftermarket will have a field day with it. Every other car in its segment has gone to forced induction (except the Corvette). I'm sure the engine won't melt from turbine heat. Combustion chambers are combustion chambers for the most part.

The general reaction seems so overblown (pun not intended).

 

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I think the 718 has persuaded me to keep my Spyder long term. Because I know whatever it is replaced with in several years can't be as good.

That being said, the world is not ending. If the 986 had been introduced to the motoring world with a 4-pot and a turbo and a hearty serving of power, it wouldn't have been met with this many pitchforks.

We are lamenting change because it is change. Because it's a departure from what we know and love.

This car will be fantastic. A new generation of automotive buyers will be attracted to it and thrilled by it.

The aftermarket will have a field day with it. Every other car in its segment has gone to forced induction (except the Corvette). I'm sure the engine won't melt from turbine heat. Combustion chambers are combustion chambers for the most part.

The general reaction seems so overblown (pun not intended).

No, we aren't.

We are lamenting the fact that the character of the car has changed dramatically, and not for the better. Ditching a naturally aspirated flat-six in exchange for a four-pot huffer was done for many reasons. Improving the driving experience wasn't one of them.

The majority of "positive" reviews of the 718 aren't really positive at all. Rather they fall into the category of "well... the switch to the turbo-four didn't ruin the car." And the negative reviews, like the one written by EVO, speak for themselves.

 

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This might help you along:

The Future for the Naturally Aspirated Engine Is Grim ? Feature ? Car and Driver | Car and Driver Blog

 

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^^you can always look to meth injection to help with cylinder cooling

 

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Wow did this thread get grumpy.

 

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Wow did this thread get grumpy.

Sorry.... I'm sensitive :kiss:

 

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My two penneth as a Uk Boxster S owner.

I recently made what I have to admit was an impulse purchase of a Boxster S PDK, jet black metallic over two tone luxor and black extended leather interior.
Very well specced, all the bits except 14 way seats but still has 2 way sports plus seats and Im only a light bloke so plenty of support for my body.

Long story short, I traded my 2010 Cayman S as i tend to do quite a few miles @ 13k per year and wanted a bit more comfort and fancied the open top option.
i had serious buyer remorse that lasted about 2 days, then i read the 718 reviews and now i'm soo pleased that I have picked up a brand new BS 2016 model Oh and I managed to negotiate from 65k pounds to 57.5K, so 12% discount because it was last of the outgoing 981's

Ant regrets? yes i keep driving it and that flat 6 howl is making me a bit deaf, OH and the 13k miles is likely to increase to 15k so i will probably end up with a high miler in 3 years time.

 

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If I win the PCA raffle, i would probably test drive a 718 for fun, but would likely sell the one (718 BS or Macan) that would net me the most.

I do like turbo cars, though. I've had four turbo Volvos, because, living at high elevation, you need to compress your air if you want to go fast. If I could do as I have in my current V70 and go up three sizes in turbo compressors, uprate the injectors and rail, open the intake and exhaust and tell the ECU to give me 18lbs of boost, I bet a 718 would be a hoot.

 

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While I continue to believe this was the worse review of ANY Porsche I have ever read going back to the mid-1960s, its about to get much, much worse. Maybe

I alluded to the fact that possibly PAG doesn't care if the Boxster went away. After all, they sell 4 times as many Macans and the market is looking up up up while the entry level sports market is down.

Where are the hybrids? Panny and Cayenne. Where is the next hybrid? Possibly Macan. What's the next big thing? Read the annual report, its not the 718, its e-Mission (and the new 911s).

Now read this Norway reportedly agrees on banning new sales of gas-powered cars by 2025 | Electrek

and this Norway Moves Towards Banning Gas-Burning Cars By 2025 - Fortune

and this gas vehicles - The Truth About Cars

While Norway is not part of the EU, they are part of the European Economic Area. With India and the Netherlands considering the same move once the dam breaks (or whatever they have in the Netherlands to hold back the water), game over.

Everyone who cares might want to hang onto what they got

 

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People don't like to be asked to pay more for getting less from one year to another.

People here are beyond just judging a car by horseposer or power/weight.

People here had found a car line that was pretty close to perfect and now several aspects of that have been damaged (engine response, sound, perceived value). In exchange for making it "faster", whatever that is supposed to do in the U.S.

 

Thought I'd add my $.02:
I have a 2013 Boxster S. I love that car. The only thing I'd change: more power. The solution- I've just closed a deal on one of the last available 2016 spyders. Possibly my final upgrade opportunity within the Boxster line.

A Boxster S with a handful of options approaches $100K very quickly.
To my mind, that's a lot of $ for any car.
That's a CRAZY amount of $ for a 4 cylinder example (IMHO). I don't care what the 0-60 time is. The problem for me is that they took the car decidedly down market, yet raised the price. Great for the share holder. Bad for the consumer.

For me a near six figure 4 cylinder mass-produced car is in the same vein as that nutty Apple Watch "Edition". Remember that ~$15K gold version of the Apple Watch? I'd have been hard pressed to identify a more flamboyant and shameless self expression of idiocy- Until now.

 

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Congrats on the Spyder!!!

But come on. Comparing it to the Apple Watch atrocity which has no appeal to either watch enthusiasts nor normal people and quite literally has zero function (even a 4 cylinder can turn gears and go from A to B) is a bit exaggerated.

 

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This is one of the reasons few people shart on the 911 Turbo or GT2. Sure, they're turbo motors, but they're so damn powerful that we accept the exchange. Though for years, automotive journalists and owners alike have been dismayed at the 911 Turbo's lack of driving character compared to similarly priced vehicles and its younger brother, the GT3.

Actually I believe the primary reason is that not many people have $200K - $300K for a car, especially one that is a two seater.

 

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Probably, but even on popular forums like 6speedonline, there's universal praise for the cars seen as the pinnacle of the Porsche tree of offerings. Never driven a Turbo. Have you?

My neighbor has a 991 Turbo S which I have driven several times on the street, and one time on the track. If sheer acceleration is what at the top of anyone's wish list, then the Turbo S is the right choice. In my case I gravitate more to the GT3, but settle for the 981S. I just can't justify the $150K expenditure for a GT3 since I'm fortunate to have a couple of track days a year. Not to be critical of anyone's selection, but a GT3 which is driven only on the street is a waste of money unless the owner has a complete disregard for posted speed limits.

 

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If the "estimated" EPA fuel ratings are found to be the actual fuel ratings, then what's all this non-sense about CAFE have to do with anything? It looks like fuel efficiency stayed the same or got worse.

 

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What we need is a 718Not! forum.

 

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I was shocked by the article and agree with several posters that EVO has more cred and many other magazines/reviewers have something to lose if they write a bad review. Hard to believe GT4 was EVO car of the year in '15 (over 488, 675 LT, Aventador among others) and now this...

With respect to torque, my '16 GT4 has a torque curve display that can be selected in the right-hand display. Not sure if all '16 Porsche's have this or not. I have not digested that display yet, but will play with it some and see what I can glean from it. Have not passed the 2k mile break-in period so am limited on revs until then.

 

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You are saying that your GT4 displays the torque curve in mfd in the instrument cluster?

I was shocked by the article and agree with several posters that EVO has more cred and many other magazines/reviewers have something to lose if they write a bad review. Hard to believe GT4 was EVO car of the year in '15 (over 488, 675 LT, Aventador among others) and now this...

With respect to torque, my '16 GT4 has a torque curve display that can be selected in the right-hand display. Not sure if all '16 Porsche's have this or not. I have not digested that display yet, but will play with it some and see what I can glean from it. Have not passed the 2k mile break-in period so am limited on revs until then.

 

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Yes when F1 is going turbo it is the foreshadowing of things to come. Audi Etron R8, Porsche e, etc is just the beginning. Before I bought my Ferrari I had ordered a tesla p85s. It was neck braking fast - but it just wasn't engaging like a sports car is. But it certainly has a niche. And electric, to me, is going to continue grabbing market share. However, to paraphrase Charlton Heston, they will have to pry my cold, dead hands off my NA CE steering wheel .

 

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Here's the Torque curve on the GT4 MFD.

 

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You have to be careful of BMW models, however. Especially any of them equipped with "EfficienctDynamics". 5 series V8 models equipped with this feature trash their batteries by design. New car battery required at every oil change interval. That's ridiculous:crazy:

 

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You have to be careful of BMW models, however. Especially any of them equipped with "EfficienctDynamics". 5 series V8 models equipped with this feature trash their batteries by design. New car battery required at every oil change interval. That's ridiculous:crazy:

All of them are equipped with EfficientDynamics now. Folks that have been around BMW for a long time will tell you that the V8 models themselves were problematic! BMWs are pretty reliable cars, but the Bosche pumps they use have been known to go belly up. A few parts in the car they made out of lightweight material to save weight just do not last as long as they should. You get up in the 80000 to 100000 range and you will be replacing them. Most folks go OEM, but there are those that replace those lightweight parts with beefier after market parts that will last much longer.